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Nice write up breaking down Goff.

Remember, Dan Campbell said he would curtail his gameplan to the players he has and put their strengths against the other teams weaknesses. I get the feeling that McVay wanted to do it his way whether it is in the best interest of the talent he has. 

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40 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Interesting comments in this interview. Simms and Florio claim that Cooks had gotten loose in the first half of the Super Bowl and Goff just didn't see him. Then they called the same play again in the second half, and it didn't connect because Goff was late with the throw. I don't know if that is accurate, but they seem to think that is where the bad blood started.

Florio claims that when he's interviewed Goff, he has found Goff to be too nice.

And they both argue that Goff will have worse weapons with Detroit than he had in LA.

Neither of them mentioned Todd Gurley, though. And someone on this board did, and convinced me that he is the reason for the drop off.

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

Interesting comments in this interview. Simms and Florio claim that Cooks had gotten loose in the first half of the Super Bowl and Goff just didn't see him. Then they called the same play again in the second half, and it didn't connect because Goff was late with the throw. I don't know if that is accurate, but they seem to think that is where the bad blood started.

Florio claims that when he's interviewed Goff, he has found Goff to be too nice.

And they both argue that Goff will have worse weapons with Detroit than he had in LA.

Neither of them mentioned Todd Gurley, though. And someone on this board did, and convinced me that he is the reason for the drop off.

LOL - That's a heII of a high bar.  if you are going to throw your QB under the bus because he didn't see a receiver on one play there aren't going to be many QB's left in the NFL. I not sure I have ever watched a FB game at any level where a QB didn't fail to pick up at least one wide open receiver. OK - he's not Aaron Rodgers, but where was McVay when they handed Goff that contract? He had never not seen an open man before that so McVay was blindsided the very first time it happened? Seriously? I don't know how good or bad Goff is going to be but in the final analysis if he's a failure McVay is going to look more foolish for wanting him 18 months ago than he will look smart for throwing him overboard now.

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11 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

LOL - That's a heII of a high bar.  if you are going to throw your QB under the bus because he didn't see a receiver on one play there aren't going to be many QB's left in the NFL. I not sure I have ever watched a FB game at any level where a QB didn't fail to pick up at least one wide open receiver. OK - he's not Aaron Rodgers, but where was McVay when they handed Goff that contract? He had never not seen an open man before that so McVay was blindsided the very first time it happened? Seriously? I don't know how good or bad Goff is going to be but in the final analysis if he's a failure McVay is going to look more foolish for wanting him 18 months ago than he will look smart for throwing him overboard now.

As I've said a number of times in this thread, while McVay is legit a great offensive mind, he's not The Second Coming that he gets treated as either. And it just looks from the outside that he bears some responsibility for the relationship going south.

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17 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

As I've said a number of times in this thread, while McVay is legit a great offensive mind, he's not The Second Coming that he gets treated as either. And it just looks from the outside that he bears some responsibility for the relationship going south.

Yes, and to keep his reputation as the Second Coming, he needs a reason why his genius offense is not translating into points and wins. His excuse is Goff.

In reality, the reason is probably Gurley's knee.

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Stafford didn't have appetite for knee caps?

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2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Isn't there already a round-about connection between the two? Someone Kelly is related to or something?

Tampering is a fine line. McVay can pass Matt on the street and say "hey" and that's not tampering. He can't pass him and say "hey come play for the Rams" though, and the only people who know what he said now play for the Rams.

When Dean Blandino, Head of NFL Officiating, is partying on Jerry Jones bus, drinking 7&7's and having girls dance on his lap is that tampering?

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24 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Yes, and to keep his reputation as the Second Coming, he needs a reason why his genius offense is not translating into points and wins. His excuse is Goff.

In reality, the reason is probably Gurley's knee.

What I don't see mentioned is that the only time McVay's offenses have ranked higher than 10th in scoring was the two season Matt LaFluer was offensive coordinator. 

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In regard to McVay, we'll learn a lot about him with Stafford under center. I wouldn't bet against them having a lot of success, tbh.

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26 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

When Dean Balndino is partying on Jerry Jones bus, drinking 7&7's and having girls dance on his lap is that tampering?

Are you asking the NFL or Blandino's wife?

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24 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Ahahahahahaha! Is there a surlier person, dead or alive, than Ndamukong Suh?

"Welcome to LA, Matt. Good to be working with the second-best QB I've ever played with."

Suh doesn't play for LA though.

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5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

It's not the Lions that would want to file tampering charges with the NFL but rather Carolina or Washington or any other team interested in Stafford. The Rams would probably volunteer a 1st round pick as penalty for tampering. 

I dunno.... I mean, I don't know for sure what the rules are re: Tampering, but again, if the Lions gave permission for Stafford to talk with the Rams and also would have given Stafford permission to talk to any other team that asked then I don't think they have any case.

Again, I'm not a rules expert so it's possible a rule was violated on a technical issue, but I don't know if any rule was broken in spirit.  I guess if maybe Stafford and McVay (who are supposedly friends) got together and discussed trying to find a way to pry him out of Detroit and then the Rams went to Detroit, who previously had no intention of trading Stafford, with an offer based on inside info Stafford gave... maybe then??  But it was public knowledge that Stafford wanted a trade and the Lions were willing to do it.  

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5 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

Goff, thiird this year, first next year, first the year after.

A basic look at this is Stafford a thiird and 2 first round picks better than Goff?  I do not think so.  We won.

That's not a correct way to look at it.  The Lions are taking on a good chunk of Goff's contact, so the Rams are looking at it as Detroit doing them a favor there and paying for it, in part, with the picks.  The Rams opinion Goff is a negative they are getting off their books.

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5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Not sure how reliable this is. I do feel the Lions value Goff. 

 

All things considered, I'd prefer a 1st this year and a 1st next year, but honestly we're talking about a 1 year delay in payout.  It's not like we need to wait 5 years for the Rams deal to payout.... it's just one more year.

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Just now, RedRamage said:

That's not a correct way to look at it.  The Lions are taking on a good chunk of Goff's contact, so the Rams are looking at it as Detroit doing them a favor there and paying for it, in part, with the picks.  The Rams opinion Goff is a negative they are getting off their books.

It is my way and it seems to jive with like 95% of people around the league.  Detroit hit pretty big with the trade...ESPECIALLY if Goff can be decent for the next 2 years.  I do not care what the Rams wanted or got.  Was it a win for Detroit?  Yup.  Even if Goff lays an egg the next 2 years...still a win.  We got so much flexibility in this trade.

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I’m filled with optimism for the next few years of the lions.  Brand new front office and coaching staff, 5 first rd picks the next three years and an owner who finally appears to get it.  And again, I don’t think the lions will be nearly as bad this coming year as people expect.   

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I touched on this before but considering the importance Holmes puts on scouting I think he preferred not to get the pick this year.   There was just so much going on this year coupled with the lack of a true combine it makes it hard to accurately scout or judge a player.    

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11 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

It is my way and it seems to jive with like 95% of people around the league.  Detroit hit pretty big with the trade...ESPECIALLY if Goff can be decent for the next 2 years.  I do not care what the Rams wanted or got.  Was it a win for Detroit?  Yup.  Even if Goff lays an egg the next 2 years...still a win.  We got so much flexibility in this trade.

I don't disagree with your take... in fact I think you are (mostly) right.  What I disagree with is that the Rams thought Stafford is 2xFirst + a Third better than Goff.

I think the Rams probably think that Stafford is maybe a 1st and a 3rd better than Goff and giving up a 1st to move Goff's contact is worth it.

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1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

I touched on this before but considering the importance Holmes puts on scouting I think he preferred not to get the pick this year.   There was just so much going on this year coupled with the lack of a true combine it makes it hard to accurately scout or judge a player.    

I dunno... I mean, I'm quite positive that Holms has already done significant work on evaluating talent for the draft.

Now, to be fair I'm also sure he probably wasn't allowed to take any files with him so what he retains will be based on memory and/or stuff he was able to sneak out of the office.  Furthermore the needs of the Lions will be different and that will put a spin on the value for certain players/positions, but suspect that between what he's already done in evaluations and the three months between now and the draft he'd be pretty much ready to go.

All other things being equal he might have figured it would be nice to have another year to get things settled before having to make two first round picks, but I seriously doubt he would have taken a "lesser" deal just because it pushes the draft picks out a year.

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Some of the top players in the draft sat out a year,  teams would go weeks without playing,  teams had to shuffle their schedules,  teams played against teams that were missing a ton of players etc. Those are some big variables that effect how you can accurately judge a player.   

Those things all could've played a major role in a players performance this year and I think it would be perfectly reasonable to prefer waiting a year before potentially making a 1st round pick you could regret cause the player you drafted wasn't as good due to those reasons above.   

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