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15 minutes ago, cruzer1 said:

It's hard to see what the Rams are doing, killing their drafts like this. They used 2 firsts to trade up for Goff, then they use 2 firsts to trade him.

The Rams.have had good success drafting later in the draft.  Which could change now that Holmes is here.  Also I believe that McVay believes he is just a QB away from winning it all.

Losing all that draft capital will eventually hurt the Rams if they don't continue to get starters later in the draft.  

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Maybe the Lions looked at what was out there after Lawrence & Fields and thought that Lance, Wilson, Trask and Mac weren't good enough and thought Goff now was better than any of them will ever be.   Lance - well, he didnt play this year.   Wilson played against very weak competition, Trask has a lot of upside and a lot of questions and Mac Jones, well, how well to Alabama QBs generally do in the league?   Could guys like Tua and Mac be a product of the machine?      I am thinking Dorsey, the QB guru thought none of these guys were a better risk at #7 than Goff would be as a one or two year starter.   If he doesn't work, fine, no worries, the team stinks now anyway......if he looks great, that's more of the future draft to be spent on talent elsewhere.   

 

And if the George and Lorraine McFly's lives were so much better at the end of the first movie,  why do they still live in the same small house and why are their successful kids still living at home?    

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2 minutes ago, Jwood said:

The Rams.have had good success drafting later in the draft.  Which could change now that Holmes is here.  Also I believe that McVay believes he is just a QB away from winning it all.

Losing all that draft capital will eventually hurt the Rams if they don't continue to get starters later in the draft.  

It will hurt them at a time where their current players start going downhill and the team will go into rebuilding mode, 2 years from now, but they can spin some of their guys for more picks.       A great proven player is better than a draft pick when you have a decent team.   Or maybe, just maybe they know that once the MAGA folks actually do take over that Premier Trump will ban the NFL, so might as well try to win now.   

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1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Maybe the Lions looked at what was out there after Lawrence & Fields and thought that Lance, Wilson, Trask and Mac weren't good enough and thought Goff now was better than any of them will ever be.   Lance - well, he didnt play this year.   Wilson played against very weak competition, Trask has a lot of upside and a lot of questions and Mac Jones, well, how well to Alabama QBs generally do in the league?   Could guys like Tua and Mac be a product of the machine?      I am thinking Dorsey, the QB guru thought none of these guys were a better risk at #7 than Goff would be as a one or two year starter.   If he doesn't work, fine, no worries, the team stinks now anyway......if he looks great, that's more of the future draft to be spent on talent elsewhere.   

 

And if the George and Lorraine McFly's lives were so much better at the end of the first movie,  why do they still live in the same small house and why are their successful kids still living at home?    

Reports are the Lions had at least 6 offers for Stafford. I don't think they took Goff just for the extra pick. I do think they feel there is upside. Another thought is the Lions may have felt they would need to trade up for a QB and would rather build out the roster first. 

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1 hour ago, Jason_R said:

This is all. 

Before this trade, they had a crater at the QB position and were effectively obligated to take whatever QB was left at #7. 

Now they can package a future first to move up this year to get the QB they want, they can trade #7 to a QB hungry team and get an additional pick this year, they can ride Goff and wait for 2022 or 2023 to pick their QB, or (if the old Goff can re-emerge) they can ride Goff for another ten years. 

Massive move by Holmes. They now have four chances to get the QB position right over the near future. 

This.

And I'm on board with building up the team over the next two years and seeing what Goff can provide. If they don't like what they see (regression/ too many turnovers), they can move up in the 2023 draft and pick a QB for the future, STILL carry Goff in 2023 (so as not to throw the rookie QB into the fire), and trade/ cut Goff after the 2023 season, or cut after 2024; whenever they are ready to hand over the reigns of the team to the new QB...

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21 minutes ago, Buddha said:

a legit pass rush would make the secondary they have much better.  move to a 3-4 and take parsons as an outside linebacker/pass rusher.  sign leonard floyd on the other side to go with okwara the younger.  hand/shelton/flowers across the front.  maybe even keep jarad davis as a backup linebacker and get him to rush the passer once in a while.

its just those other two linebacker spots that would be particularly problematic...

The Lions won't be signing any free agents, can't really with the cap kind of a factor now. After hearing what they are going to do, they are going to keep the 3-4 concept, but add in New Orleans/LA Rams type of secondary zone/man schemes. Parsons is the best outside pass rusher, but I'm hearing a lot about how he'll drop in the draft; people think he's a bad dude for their teams. This draft is really deep at linebackers and edge players. The Lions should be able to get multiple players. My big worry is the Lions interior defense, and this draft isn't as strong there.

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Let me first say that I really like this trade for the two 1sts we acquired for Holmes and Dorsey to have at their disposal. I've never been sold on Stafford as a magic fix for a team in need of a QB, so I have hopes that the Rams won't be making a deep playoff run next couple of seasons and those 1sts will be higher up in the draft order. This was a fantastic trade overall though and any Lions fan should be excited by it.

I have a specific concern around the Lions (potentially) trying to win now, in the next year, by franchising Golladay, drafting a WR and then pairing them with Goff and thinking that will be suffice. A situation where we end up realizing that Goff and co aren't bad enough to allow us to tank and be the 1-15, 2-14 team we need to be to get the top pick. Instead we end up in 6-10, 7-9 purgatory. If we are going to pass on a QB this year then I want the chance to draft the best one next year and going 1-15, 2-14 sure would help. I'd rather tank our way to the top pick with a rebuilding roster than have to sue assets to move up and get it. I was personally hoping one of Chase Daniel or Tyrod Taylor would be our starting QB this year so we could all but ensure a 1or 2 win season.

I don't think Goff is the answer long term and I hope the organization doesn't either.

I guess we'll find out.

But the point is that taking on Goff was the price for the two 1st round picks. That's not a bad situation at all.

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48 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

It may just be smoke screen but if it is true perhaps they just don't like any of the QBs in this draft or feel comfortable taking one that early considering the lack of scouting, weird CFB season, no combine etc. so they rather roll the dice with Goff for a year and see what happens.  If he struggles then chances are we're going to be picking in the top 5 and we could just take a QB then.    

Yep, maybe they don't like the QB options this year and are willing to wait a year.

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6 minutes ago, cruzer1 said:

The Lions won't be signing any free agents, can't really with the cap kind of a factor now. After hearing what they are going to do, they are going to keep the 3-4 concept, but add in New Orleans/LA Rams type of secondary zone/man schemes. Parsons is the best outside pass rusher, but I'm hearing a lot about how he'll drop in the draft; people think he's a bad dude for their teams. This draft is really deep at linebackers and edge players. The Lions should be able to get multiple players. My big worry is the Lions interior defense, and this draft isn't as strong there.

The Lions have options to create cap space. 

Justin Coleman alone creates $9 million in space. 

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48 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

So tell us. Which rumored deal out there would you have taken?

I really didn't care what they got.  I just expect the Lions to make a mess out of whatever they do, and history is on my side.  

I despise the Lions and relish all of their failures, and especially the really comic ones.  And I am counting on this to turn into another disaster.  Maybe it won't, but I have my fingers crossed.  And even if they have finally found a winning formula, I should enjoy at least a couple more years of the Lions being the Lions before I need to worry about something different.    

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8 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

I really didn't care what they got.  I just expect the Lions to make a mess out of whatever they do, and history is on my side.  

I despise the Lions and relish all of their failures, and especially the really comic ones.  And I am counting on this to turn into another disaster.  Maybe it won't, but I have my fingers crossed.  And even if they have finally found a winning formula, I should enjoy at least a couple more years of the Lions being the Lions before I need to worry about something different.    

So why are you here? 

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9 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

I really didn't care what they got.  I just expect the Lions to make a mess out of whatever they do, and history is on my side.  

I despise the Lions and relish all of their failures, and especially the really comic ones.  And I am counting on this to turn into another disaster.  Maybe it won't, but I have my fingers crossed.  And even if they have finally found a winning formula, I should enjoy at least a couple more years of the Lions being the Lions before I need to worry about something different.    

Good bye!

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions can't flip Goff for picks. They are stuck with him for a year at least. Goff is younger than Smith. If Goff returns to his 2017-2018 form and has a career renaissance like Brees or Tannehill, I keep as the franchise QB since he's still young. If he's good but not great like Cousins or Smith, I trade him for a middle round pick when his contract allows after I drafted my future QB.

I don’t think it will happen but l’m not sure why they couldn’t trade him post June 1 if they chose.   There wouldn’t be any dead money just a $28M cap hit to whoever took him on.    A team like Washington could in theory dump Alex Smith for $6M in dead money and add Goff and they would be $34M into a starting QB.  The same as Cousins or Wentz.   Yes, way too much for his value but still not an impossibility for a team that thinks Goff is better than what they have.   Again, I think the Lions like Goff and have now plans to flip him but it could work if they wanted.  

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10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Things were obviously a little rocky in LA.

 

Yeah, McVay needs a scapegoat to ensure his reputation as a wunderkind for another season or two. And Snead has been very aggressive with his picks and contracts; it might be good for him to have someone to blame to distract attention from the fact that they might have benefitted from some of the cheap high end talent they traded away in draft picks. 

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I wasn't super for adding Goff and his contract to the deal because 1) I don't think he's very good, and 2) his contract is atrocious, but it having been done, I do think this is overall a really good deal for the Lions.

Goff won't lose you games. Will he put you on his shoulders and take you to a Super Bowl? Definitely not. But I think he's good enough to not be the reason you don't take that step with the right supporting cast around him.

I think he is similar to the Alex Smith/Chiefs situation, in that he's not a franchise QB, but he is a good enough stopgap that gives them options. They don't want to go the next five years with Chase Daniel and company at QB, losing 13+ games a season, because they won't have jobs if they do. Goff allows them to rebuild respectably, maybe even compete, and when the time is right - and they see their guy - make a move on him. 

With that said though, I hope they don't rule out Fields/Lance/Wilson as potentially their guy just because of Goff, because I doubt they've done all the analysis they're going to do for 2021, and if they do start assembling quality pieces, it's not that likely that we'll pick in the top ten for very long, especially not in a year where four QBs are projected to go in the top five to ten.

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The Lions basically bought a future 1st round pick for the cost of one year of Goff, which seems to me to be bordering on felonious. If Goff pulls a Breeze, it could be as close to a Herschel Walker deal as any team could hope for, and if he isn't that guy, they can dump him for whatever after next season. I don't see the downside here.

I'm with those who'd like to see the Lions trade out of the 7th pick to acquire more draft capital, and focus on rebuilding the defense.

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I’m really surprised by the overall sentiment for the lions prospects heading into next season.  Much of the discussion, here and in the press, is focused on how bad the lions will be.

Lets be clear, they aren’t ready to compete for anything simply by building a solid front office and coaching staff.  But it’s highly unlikely the defense will be as bad as it was last year. It was the worst of all time.  The offense was 20th overall, not great.   And they won 5 games.  Say they add a WR with the #7 pick, you could certainly see the offense improving to league average (16th).  Then any modest improvement from the defense, say 24th versus 32nd, likely has them as a 5-7 win team again.  The defense can’t get any worse than what we saw this year. Improvement is almost a guarantee.

After sleeping on it I’m rather ok with this trade. Goff has no financial commitment after 2 years, and he is a capable QB.  Maybe he finds something away from McVay, where the relationship was obviously frayed.  Lots of options with trades and picks.  And they can clear cap space.  I’ll just sit back and let this play out, trust the process as the kids say.

Overall, I can’t imagine they will be as bad as last year. Patricia had no idea how to coach any player.  Like Campbell said, they looked like they didn’t know what they were doing, which is what we observed all year.  Role definition is extremely important in a professional career, sports or otherwise.  Know what you’re supposed to do and stick to that.  

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I'm continuing to be amused by national commentators (such as Geoff Schwartz and Colin Cowherd) assuming that Goff is an unhappy party in this trade or the loser of this trade.

I suspect it's some sort of "Detroit is such a craphole compared to LA" thing rather than anything based in reality

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