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38 minutes ago, Jwood said:

Not everybody says the Lions "won" this trade

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-rams-won-stafford-goff-044505617.html

I completely disagree with this article.  This trade gave each team exactly what they needed.  The Rams are built to win now and Stafford gives them a better chance.  The Lions are not built to win now, but they can at least be respectable with Goff.  This upcoming year was going to be a difficult one with or without Stafford.  So they are really only on the hook for 1 season with Goff. You can certainly draft a QB next year because you can rid yourself of Goff's contract after the 2022 season.  It also doesn't necessarily preclude the Lions from drafting a QB this season if there is one the Lions really like.

I suppose he could be correct, but shocking to think that the guy with the broken back, with all those miles, is going to be some perfect fit seems like a lot of wish casting

 

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1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

The Packers may have no intention, but if Rodgers comes out and public says he wants a trade then things can change.  For the record I don't think he will, but there were rumors that he was unhappy in/with GB after the playoff loss.

Also Rodgers has a reputation for being a little high strung. His emotions after a bad loss may not be the same a couple of weeks later.

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Just now, RandyMarsh said:

It may just be smoke screen but if it is true perhaps they just don't like any of the QBs in this draft or feel comfortable taking one that early considering the lack of scouting, weird CFB season, no combine etc. so they rather roll the dice with Goff for a year and see what happens.  If he struggles then chances are we're going to be picking in the top 5 and we could just take a QB then.    

This is another issue. Do the Lions have anyone in charge of scouting yet? I'm sure Holmes had been doing his work for the Rams and has a draft board but this may not be the time to roll the dice on a QB especially if you have to trade. 

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11 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

Yep.   Nothing jumpstarts a rebuild like taking on a hugely overpaid quarterback whose team would have traded him for a traffic jam or a mudslide to be named later.

And for the posters who are suggesting that the Lions can get out from under Goff's contract and ineptitude by trading him to someone else, who but the Lions would take him?

Hilarious, and Lionsish to the nth degree.  

You do know that they got an extra 1st to take him, right?  Did you also know that after two years, they can cut him without penalty?

I just don't know how anybody, outside of those who are perennially miserable about the Lions, can see this as a bad trade for them. There's virtually no downside outside of the Goff contract clogging up some extra cap in a season that is a rebuild.

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

That doesn't, at all, come close to saying they want to build around Goff. All they have committed to is him being the starter. 

Again, I'll trust the process and I'm not trying to throw cold water on this trade as I really like the deal. If you had the opportunity to flip Goff in the immediate future for assets in this years draft would you or would you rather them hang onto Goff and try flipping him in the future ala what Dorsey did with Alex Smith?

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51 minutes ago, Jwood said:

The perception is that Stafford lost because of the Lions organization,

TBH I don't think this is a universally accepted view. The counter narrative that even when they had a decent team it was Stafford who couldn't get them over the hump also circulated widely. That's why his tenure here has always been controversial - the question could not be resolved. Maybe it will be now.

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Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

I am only going to predict the first two rounds.   I can't see them taking another CB in the Top 10.   

 

Round 1.  Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami

Round 2.  Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri

Rousseau is really raw, and soft. I think his team will regret selecting him.

Bolton is the complete opposite, a really great player who might be the most underrated in this draft.

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6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

That doesn't, at all, come close to saying they want to build around Goff. All they have committed to is him being the starter. 

Exactly. He is their starter moving forward. That means in 2021. Maybe 2022. 

The tinfoil hat stuff is tiring. 

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6 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I suppose he could be correct, but shocking to think that the guy with the broken back, with all those miles, is going to be some perfect fit seems like a lot of wish casting

 

I just don't think anyone "won" this trade.  Both teams got exactly what they wanted.  It just matters what the Lions do with the draft capital.

I am really happy with the trade.  Because I don't think Goff is a bum and it gives the Lions flexibility with front office staff with proven draft records.

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2 minutes ago, cruzer1 said:

Rousseau is really raw, and soft. I think his team will regret selecting him.

Bolton is the complete opposite, a really great player who might be the most underrated in this draft.

Rousseau did his best work in college on third down rushing from the interior. Won't be that easy in the pros. He's gifted, but he's not even the best pass rusher at his college.

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6 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Again, I'll trust the process and I'm not trying to throw cold water on this trade as I really like the deal. If you had the opportunity to flip Goff in the immediate future for assets in this years draft would you or would you rather them hang onto Goff and try flipping him in the future ala what Dorsey did with Alex Smith?

The Lions can't flip Goff for picks. They are stuck with him for a year at least. Goff is younger than Smith. If Goff returns to his 2017-2018 form and has a career renaissance like Brees or Tannehill, I keep as the franchise QB since he's still young. If he's good but not great like Cousins or Smith, I trade him for a middle round pick when his contract allows after I drafted my future QB.

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10 minutes ago, cruzer1 said:

He's big and fast, what corners are supposed to look like. With Moehrig, it would give the Lions the best secondary in the league.

If they keep the more lenient holding definitions, CB's are going to be even more critical.

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22 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

Yep.   Nothing jumpstarts a rebuild like taking on a hugely overpaid quarterback whose team would have traded him for a traffic jam or a mudslide to be named later.

And for the posters who are suggesting that the Lions can get out from under Goff's contract and ineptitude by trading him to someone else, who but the Lions would take him?

Hilarious, and Lionsish to the nth degree.  

So tell us. Which rumored deal out there would you have taken?

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1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions can't flip Goff for picks. They are stuck with him for a year at least. Goff is younger than Smith. If Goff returns to his 2017-2018 form and has a career renaissance like Brees or Tannehill, I keep as the franchise QB since he's still young. If he's good but not great like Cousins or Smith, I trade him for a middle round pick when his contract allows after I drafted my future QB.

Fair enough and I can live with either case here.

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Just now, Jwood said:

I just don't think anyone "won" this trade.  Both teams got exactly what they wanted.  It just matters what the Lions do with the draft capital.

I am really happy with the trade.  Because I don't think Goff is a bum and it gives the Lions flexibility with front office staff with proven draft records.

It's hard to see what the Rams are doing, killing their drafts like this. They used 2 firsts to trade up for Goff, then they use 2 firsts to trade him.

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2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions can't flip Goff for picks. They are stuck with him for a year at least. Goff is younger than Smith. If Goff returns to his 2017-2018 form and has a career renaissance like Brees or Tannehill, I keep as the franchise QB since he's still young. If he's good but not great like Cousins or Smith, I trade him for a middle round pick when his contract allows after I drafted my future QB.

They can flip him, next year, or even the next. He's still only 26.

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6 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

TBH I don't think this is a universally accepted view. The counter narrative that even when they had a decent team it was Stafford who couldn't get them over the hump also circulated widely. That's why his tenure here has always been controversial - the question could not be resolved. Maybe it will be now.

I believe enough people believed that narrative to get the draft haul they did for Stafford.  I don't necessarily believe it.

Some of the questions about Stafford could/will be answered by the change in scenery.  

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13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

That doesn't, at all, come close to saying they want to build around Goff. All they have committed to is him being the starter. 

To add to this, what do you expect the lions to say to the world/Goff. Yeah we just traded for a guy we hated?

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15 minutes ago, cruzer1 said:

He's big and fast, what corners are supposed to look like. With Moehrig, it would give the Lions the best secondary in the league.

a legit pass rush would make the secondary they have much better.  move to a 3-4 and take parsons as an outside linebacker/pass rusher.  sign leonard floyd on the other side to go with okwara the younger.  hand/shelton/flowers across the front.  maybe even keep jarad davis as a backup linebacker and get him to rush the passer once in a while.

its just those other two linebacker spots that would be particularly problematic...

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18 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Also Rodgers has a reputation for being a little high strung. His emotions after a bad loss may not be the same a couple of weeks later.

rodgers has already walked that back.  he's not going anywhere.  you dont trade the best qb in football.

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16 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

TBH I don't think this is a universally accepted view. The counter narrative that even when they had a decent team it was Stafford who couldn't get them over the hump also circulated widely. That's why his tenure here has always been controversial - the question could not be resolved. Maybe it will be now.

The thing is, those losses weren't his fault. He was stellar against New Orleans but the defense couldn't stop Brees, at all. He was very good against Dallas and got them a sizeable early lead and then the refs decided that they wanted "America's Team" in the next round.

He was 9-54 against winning teams which is horrendous no matter who his supporting cast was but he played well enough to win both of those playoff games.

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15 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

To add to this, what do you expect the lions to say to the world/Goff. Yeah we just traded for a guy we hated?

It's an odd case. The Rams watched Goff for a few years and decided they loved him enough to throw big money at him then suddenly they don't want him. If you try to deconstruct that what do you have? Either the Rams brain trust didn't know a limited QB when they were looking at one, which would be bad news since part of that brain trust is now in Detroit! - or Goff's issues do not stem from any limitations he has skill wise as a QB but something more intangible has broken down in LA - either with Goff himself in terms of his dedication to his craft, or between him and the team/coaching staff. Goff has turned in some single game performances that seem to contradict calling him a mere  'game manager.' I don't know what his problem is, but there is NFL talent in there somewhere. Of course it doesn't mean the Lions will have any more success getting it out of him consistently than the Rams did.

But I think we will get to watch and make our own judgments this coming season because he is probably playing - at last to start - even if they do draft his replacement.

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

The thing is, those losses weren't his fault. He was stellar against New Orleans but the defense couldn't stop Brees, at all. He was very good against Dallas and got them a sizeable early lead and then the refs decided that they wanted "America's Team" in the next round.

He was 9-54 against winning teams which is horrendous no matter who his supporting cast was but he played well enough to win both of those playoff games.

He was terrible in the Seattle playoff game.  He shouldn't have thrown all those passes so well to his receivers...............What did they have, like 7 flat-out drops in that game.   

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