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8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don't think the Rams receiving core is better, when healthy, than Golladay, Hockenson, and Jones. The Rams had a better run game. Why is McVay some sort of offensive legend? His Washington offensives finished no better than 10th and he has had two good offenses, both with Goff. 

He's a big reason why Goff flourished although maybe that was also due to Gurley becoming the best running back in the league. I don't know if McVay is some kind of offensive genius but he's certainly more credentialed than the junk Stafford had to work with.

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57 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Love this deal for a team that is at the start of a rebuilding process.  3 solid extra picks spread out over 3 drafts for a GM that was hired based on his drafting prowess.   Goff is a great option that gives them a ton of flexibility.  They can play him this year and see if he can still turn into a star or they can trade him later in the summer.  It’s great flexibility.  I think they should keep him and play him.  If he can find it again, they will have a young stud QB at a decent price.    Those 2 years on his contract line up well with this rebuilding process.  If he sucks, they move on and it’s not that big of a deal.   

goff's contract is onerous this year and next year, but after that they can cut him (or deal him) and take a $0 cap hit.  like you said, the lines up perfectly with a timeline for a rebuilding team in today's nfl.  get your qb this year or next year and then let him sit behind goff for a season or two and then transition in a year when you can cut goff for nothing.

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2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I still don't get the negative passion that Goff drives in this deal from some. If he sucks, they move on to a QB they have already drafted or draft one next year... if he is 2018 Goff, it gives the team options going forward. 

Just take the W and move on. The Lions got a nice haul of picks, and that probably wouldn't have happened without his inclusion 

Let me first say that I really like this trade for the two 1sts we acquired for Holmes and Dorsey to have at their disposal. I've never been sold on Stafford as a magic fix for a team in need of a QB, so I have hopes that the Rams won't be making a deep playoff run next couple of seasons and those 1sts will be higher up in the draft order. This was a fantastic trade overall though and any Lions fan should be excited by it.

I have a specific concern around the Lions (potentially) trying to win now, in the next year, by franchising Golladay, drafting a WR and then pairing them with Goff and thinking that will be suffice. A situation where we end up realizing that Goff and co aren't bad enough to allow us to tank and be the 1-15, 2-14 team we need to be to get the top pick. Instead we end up in 6-10, 7-9 purgatory. If we are going to pass on a QB this year then I want the chance to draft the best one next year and going 1-15, 2-14 sure would help. I'd rather tank our way to the top pick with a rebuilding roster than have to sue assets to move up and get it. I was personally hoping one of Chase Daniel or Tyrod Taylor would be our starting QB this year so we could all but ensure a 1or 2 win season.

I don't think Goff is the answer long term and I hope the organization doesn't either.

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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

i see some folks have already transitioned from "stafford is an elite nfl qb" to "pffft, he's not even as good as jared goff."

Goff's been to a Super Bowl and won multiple playoff games so of course he is better!

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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

i see some folks have already transitioned from "stafford is an elite nfl qb" to "pffft, he's not even as good as jared goff."

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think some, like myself, are saying Goff isn't as bad as some make him out to be and has the potential to still be a good QB. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Let me first say that I really like this trade for the two 1sts we acquired for Holmes and Dorsey to have at their disposal. I've never been sold on Stafford as a magic fix for a team in need of a QB, so I have hopes that the Rams won't be making a deep playoff run next couple of seasons and those 1sts will be higher up in the draft order. This was a fantastic trade overall though and any Lions fan should be excited by it.

I have a specific concern around the Lions (potentially) trying to win now, in the next year, by franchising Golladay, drafting a WR and then pairing them with Goff and thinking that will be suffice. A situation where we end up realizing that Goff and co aren't bad enough to allow us to tank and be the 1-15, 2-14 team we need to be to get the top pick. Instead we end up in 6-10, 7-9 purgatory. If we are going to pass on a QB this year then I want the chance to draft the best one next year and going 1-15, 2-14 sure would help. I'd rather tank our way to the top pick with a rebuilding roster than have to sue assets to move up and get it. I was personally hoping one of Chase Daniel or Tyrod Taylor would be our starting QB this year so we could all but ensure a 1or 2 win season.

I don't think Goff is the answer long term and I hope the organization doesn't either.

Dorsey rebuilt the Chiefs with Alex Smith and went to the playoffs before they decided to draft Mahomes. 

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think some, like myself, are saying Goff isn't as bad as some make him out to be and has the potential to still be a good QB. 

I agree.  I'd rather have Stafford than Goff, but it's not like Goff is Gardner Minshew.

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13 hours ago, T&P_Fan said:

What a disaster of a start for Holmes.  Embarrassing.  

Yep.   Nothing jumpstarts a rebuild like taking on a hugely overpaid quarterback whose team would have traded him for a traffic jam or a mudslide to be named later.

And for the posters who are suggesting that the Lions can get out from under Goff's contract and ineptitude by trading him to someone else, who but the Lions would take him?

Hilarious, and Lionsish to the nth degree.  

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Just now, six-hopper said:

Yep.   Nothing jumpstarts a rebuild like taking on a hugely overpaid quarterback whose team would have traded him for a traffic jam or a mudslide to be named later.

And for the posters who are suggesting that they can get out from under Goff's contract and ineptitude by trading him to someone else, who but the Lions would take him?

Hilarious, and Lionsish to the nth degree.  

who let carlos monarez have a mts account?

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Dorsey rebuilt the Chiefs with Alex Smith and went to the playoffs before they decided to draft Mahomes. 

They were 1-3 in the playoffs with Smith under center. If Goff can be turned into a game manager, not tasked with doing too much, and a loaded offensive roster like KC had can be put around him with great playcalling, than maybe there is hope. It's what helped, along with a great defense, propel the Rams to the 2017 Super Bowl. I'd rather take a flyer on the kid with unknown potential (Fields/Lance/Wilson) at this point than ride out Goff and hope it gets us somewhere. We'll see where the organization goes though and right now I uh, trust the process, of what Holmes and Dorsey are doing.

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3 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

Yep.   Nothing jumpstarts a rebuild like taking on a hugely overpaid quarterback whose team would have traded him for a traffic jam or a mudslide to be named later.

And for the posters who are suggesting that they can get out from under Goff's contract and ineptitude by trading him to someone else, who but the Lions would take him?

Hilarious, and Lionsish to the nth degree.  

Were the Lions going to light the league on fire next year?  They took on the contract for extra draft capital.  It's as simple as that.

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My latest projection, without trades:

team logo
  • DET
    7.
    Caleb Farley
    CB Virginia Tech
     
  • DET
    41.
    Trevon Moehrig
    S TCU
     
  • DET
    72.
    Jabril Cox
    LB LSU
     
  • DET
    88.
    D’Wayne Eskridge
    WR Western Michigan
     
  • DET
    106.
    Adrian Ealy
    OT Oklahoma
     
  • DET
    140.
    Jaylen Twyman
    DT Pittsburgh
     
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1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

They were 1-3 in the playoffs with Smith under center. If Goff can be turned into a game manager, not tasked with doing too much, and a loaded offensive roster like KC had can be put around him, than maybe there is hope. I'd rather take a flyer on the kid with unknown potential (Fields/Lance/Wilson) at this point than ride out Goff and hope it gets us somewhere. We'll see where the organization goes though and right now I uh, trust the process, of what Holmes and Dorsey are doing.

The point is, they built up the roster with Alex Smith and remained competitive before pulling the trigger and drafting Mahomes. Mahomes then entered a situation with a lot of talent. Alex Smith played well enough that they were able to flip him for picks. If Goff plays well enough, they can flip him for some mid round picks when his contract gets better. 

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1 minute ago, Jwood said:

Were the Lions going to light the league on fire next year?  They took on the contract for extra draft capital.  It's as simple as that.

It isn't though because there are quotes from the organization saying they want to build around Goff.

 

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1 minute ago, cruzer1 said:

My latest projection, without trades:

team logo
  • DET
    7.
    Caleb Farley
    CB Virginia Tech
     
  • DET
    41.
    Trevon Moehrig
    S TCU
     
  • DET
    72.
    Jabril Cox
    LB LSU
     
  • DET
    88.
    D’Wayne Eskridge
    WR Western Michigan
     
  • DET
    106.
    Adrian Ealy
    OT Oklahoma
     
  • DET
    140.
    Jaylen Twyman
    DT Pittsburgh
     

another cornerback in the top 10?  no thanks.

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1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

It isn't though because there are quotes from the organization saying they want to build around Goff.

 

It may just be smoke screen but if it is true perhaps they just don't like any of the QBs in this draft or feel comfortable taking one that early considering the lack of scouting, weird CFB season, no combine etc. so they rather roll the dice with Goff for a year and see what happens.  If he struggles then chances are we're going to be picking in the top 5 and we could just take a QB then.    

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