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One thing I haven't seen reported yet, and I'm a bit shocked about it, is this:

Did you know that the now LA Rams QB Matt Stafford was friends and played together with LA Dodgers ace pitcher Clayton Kershaw?

Ya know, assuming the are still friends I'm happy for them to be back in the same city with each others.  But I definitely won't miss that this gets brought up in every game when the Dodgers are having a good season.

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Just now, RedRamage said:

Goff gives them flexibility

This is all. 

Before this trade, they had a crater at the QB position and were effectively obligated to take whatever QB was left at #7. 

Now they can package a future first to move up this year to get the QB they want, they can trade #7 to a QB hungry team and get an additional pick this year, they can ride Goff and wait for 2022 or 2023 to pick their QB, or (if the old Goff can re-emerge) they can ride Goff for another ten years. 

Massive move by Holmes. They now have four chances to get the QB position right over the near future. 

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10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

FWIW, this might be all just windows dressing/coach speak... You're not going to bring in a guy who's still in his prime and publicly say: "Yeah, we'll see what happens... he'll start for now but we don't think he's a long term options."  This could be nothing more than spinning it for the media.

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10 hours ago, The Ronz said:

Stafford leads the Rams to back to back championships in 2022 and 2023.

Thus, the Lions get two crappy picks.

SOL!  :)

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Shut up!  shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup.  You've now tempted the fates by this and if this plays out I'll forever blame you!

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

This is all. 

Before this trade, they had a crater at the QB position and were effectively obligated to take whatever QB was left at #7. 

Now they can package a future first to move up this year to get the QB they want, they can trade #7 to a QB hungry team and get an additional pick this year, they can ride Goff and wait for 2022 or 2023 to pick their QB, or (if the old Goff can re-emerge) they can ride Goff for another ten years. 

Massive move by Holmes. They now have four chances to get the QB position right over the near future. 

yup.

If they didn't want to take a QB at 7, they could sign a scrap heap FA, but I doubt any new FO want to start their first season on that basis. They know they can put Goff out there and you are at least better than that.

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9 hours ago, Jwood said:

I think moving quick on the trade was the correct move.  It seems there was a lot of buzz about Stafford's availability.  I cant imagine getting a better deal than this from any other team.  Especially if Goff plays well.

There's also the rumors about other QBs potentially becoming available.... Rodgers for example.  I don't think that'll happen, but it might.  And more QBs means more sellers means cheaper prices.  By getting the deal done now they've sold high.

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Love this deal for a team that is at the start of a rebuilding process.  3 solid extra picks spread out over 3 drafts for a GM that was hired based on his drafting prowess.   Goff is a great option that gives them a ton of flexibility.  They can play him this year and see if he can still turn into a star or they can trade him later in the summer.  It’s great flexibility.  I think they should keep him and play him.  If he can find it again, they will have a young stud QB at a decent price.    Those 2 years on his contract line up well with this rebuilding process.  If he sucks, they move on and it’s not that big of a deal.   

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13 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

I think taking on Goff was more of a help to Rams vs. the Lions thinking this is the solution at QB.  I mean, 3/4 of what they got (looking at it as pure numbers) are draft picks, not players.  Honestly, I think Goff gives them flexibility in deciding how they want to approach this draft and the coming year.  I'm not too worried based on this trade alone.  Now, obviously if it becomes a bigger thing then it might be a problem, but based solely on this, I'm not worried.

I'm not either unless he starts bringing a whole bunch of ex-Rams who are past their prime.    John Dorsey has a great record with QBs and he if was okay with this, then I will trust it.   Goff doesn't have the arm talent, but is probably a better game manager.  Plus, Jared Goff has been to a Super Bowl and has won several playoff games and now he has something to prove.    I've heard some announcers in the past comment how the Lions don't use much deception and kind of telegraph everything they do and they've been that way through several OCs,  maybe that's because of Stafford.   We'll see.        Plus they can always package those two extra picks to move up this year.   

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6 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

FWIW, this might be all just windows dressing/coach speak... You're not going to bring in a guy who's still in his prime and publicly say: "Yeah, we'll see what happens... he'll start for now but we don't think he's a long term options."  This could be nothing more than spinning it for the media.

I don't know - seems more downside risk lying to the guy right out of the box. Isn't it pretty standard to tell any athlete he has a fair shot to win the job and leave it at that?  And of course that assumes what Darlington heard from Goff was even what Goff actually heard from the Lions!

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What I wanted them to do was build up their defense and the team in general and then when they need to take the next step, THEN they draft a QB - and put them onto a decent team instead of ruining them with a bad team.    Now they can kind of focus on building the rest of the team and if Goff is really good, they have the QB and if not they can draft one in 2023 or 2024.     We've got a long way to go.  I mean Quinn and Patricia really really screwed up this team,  they dug a huge hole for the next people to climb out.     We're talking Millen-level ineptitude.   

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Here's Stafford in 2018:

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Here's Goff in 2020:

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In two seasons Stafford goes on to be traded for multiple 1st round picks and Goff is paid to leave. Goff had a better season in 2020 than Stafford did in 2018. Stafford wasn't having a great season in 2020 until Patricia got fired. 

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11 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

There's also the rumors about other QBs potentially becoming available.... Rodgers for example.  I don't think that'll happen, but it might.  And more QBs means more sellers means cheaper prices.  By getting the deal done now they've sold high.

100% correct.  I can't imagine what Rodgers would command in a trade, based on this Stafford trade.  My biggest fear would be that Rodgers would somehow become available and thus drive down Stafford's price.

I think it's funny that the Lions had to take the "penalty" of accepting Goff's contract.  IMO it really helps the Lions.  They have a passable QB and now have the draft capital to fill the many holes on this team.  Holmes really took advantage of the Rams.  I'm sure he knew how much McVay wanted to get rid of Goff.

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3 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If they pass on Fields/Lance/Wilson because they have Goff as their starter than that just sucks on multiple levels. First, Goff is nothing more than a game manager QB at this point and not a very good one given the amount of turnovers he produces. I don't view Goff as the guy to build around. His cap hit and cap % are too large to just keep him here as a game manager type, unlike a Tyrod Taylor or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Second, we completely miss out on the window of having a good, young QB on a rookie contract to build around. That's what a lot of the best teams in the NFL are doing right now, spending big in free agency while their QB is still on his rookie deal (Chiefs did it, Seahawks did it, Bills and Ravens are doing it now). Third, if Sean McVay, probably one of the top 3-4 offensive coaching minds in the league couldn't get more out of Goff do we think Anthony Lynn and his offensive staff will be able to?

They don't have to take a QB this year, especially if they think they can get a better one next year.

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2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Here's Stafford in 2018:

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Here's Goff in 2020:

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In two seasons Stafford goes on to be traded for multiple 1st round picks and Goff is paid to leave. Goff had a better season in 2020 than Stafford did in 2018. Stafford wasn't having a great season in 2020 until Patricia got fired. 

It's a good trade for the Lions but lets call a spade a spade, the Rams upgraded significantly at QB and the Lions downgraded significantly at QB. It seems like you're trying to prove that the difference between the two is minimal. It's not. The stats only paint a small part of the story, look at the difference in supporting cast and coaching. Not to mention that Stafford can make throws that Goff can only dream of making.

I'm rooting for Goff, I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect much from Goff here. 

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3 minutes ago, Jwood said:

100% correct.  I can't imagine what Rodgers would command in a trade, based on this Stafford trade.  My biggest fear would be that Rodgers would somehow become available and thus drive down Stafford's price.

I think it's funny that the Lions had to take the "penalty" of accepting Goff's contract.  IMO it really helps the Lions.  They have a passable QB and now have the draft capital to fill the many holes on this team.  Holmes really took advantage of the Rams.  I'm sure he knew how much McVay wanted to get rid of Goff.

Actually, word from LA is that they already tried for Rodgers, but GB had no interest in trading him. That drove up the price for the Lions.

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1 minute ago, cruzer1 said:

Actually, word from LA is that they already tried for Rodgers, but GB had no interest in trading him. That drove up the price for the Lions.

The Packers may have no intention, but if Rodgers comes out and public says he wants a trade then things can change.  For the record I don't think he will, but there were rumors that he was unhappy in/with GB after the playoff loss.

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1 minute ago, RedRamage said:

The Packers may have no intention, but if Rodgers comes out and public says he wants a trade then things can change.  For the record I don't think he will, but there were rumors that he was unhappy in/with GB after the playoff loss.

He has come out and said that he wants more money. The Packers president Mark Murphy said that they want to keep him in GB.

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1 minute ago, NYLion said:

It's a good trade for the Lions but lets call a spade a spade, the Rams upgraded significantly at QB and the Lions downgraded significantly at QB. It seems like you're trying to prove that the difference between the two is minimal. It's not. The stats only paint a small part of the story, look at the difference in supporting cast and coaching. Not to mention that Stafford can make throws that Goff can only dream of making.

I'm rooting for Goff, I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect much from Goff here. 

Funny, the narrative was Stafford can't beat good teams and win playoff games. Now we have a young QB who as many playoff wins as Stafford has playoff appearance and the narrative changes. I'm not so sure the supporting cast on the Rams is much better on the offensive side of the ball. Stafford wasn't as good as Goff through age 26. A coaching change greatly improved Stafford's numbers so I'm not sure why the same can't work for Goff. 

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1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Funny, the narrative was Stafford can't beat good teams and win playoff games. Now we have a young QB who as many playoff wins as Stafford has playoff appearance and the narrative changes. I'm not so sure the supporting cast on the Rams is much better on the offensive side of the ball. Stafford wasn't as good as Goff through age 26. A coaching change greatly improved Stafford's numbers so I'm not sure why the same can't work for Goff. 

Exactly.   While I wouldn't bet the house on Goff breaking out it's also not out of the realm of possibility.  He wouldn't be the first QB to improve at the age of 26.  

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5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Funny, the narrative was Stafford can't beat good teams and win playoff games. Now we have a young QB who as many playoff wins as Stafford has playoff appearance and the narrative changes. I'm not so sure the supporting cast on the Rams is much better on the offensive side of the ball. Stafford wasn't as good as Goff through age 26. A coaching change greatly improved Stafford's numbers so I'm not sure why the same can't work for Goff. 

The perception is that Stafford lost because of the Lions organization, but the Rams won despite Goff.  Which makes signing Goff to that big extension such a terrible mistake.  A mistake the Lions were able to take advantage of, thankfully. 

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11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Funny, the narrative was Stafford can't beat good teams and win playoff games. Now we have a young QB who as many playoff wins as Stafford has playoff appearance and the narrative changes. I'm not so sure the supporting cast on the Rams is much better on the offensive side of the ball. Stafford wasn't as good as Goff through age 26. A coaching change greatly improved Stafford's numbers so I'm not sure why the same can't work for Goff. 

Because the narrative comes with major context. Goff had one of the best supporting casts in the league while Stafford... yeah, not to mention McVay vs. the Lions revolving door of coaches. There were many seasons when Stafford was all on his own. Goff was heavily insulated in that Rams system.

The one positive I could see about this is that the Lions offensive line is better than the Rams offensive line in pass protection in particular so he isn't likely to be under pressure as much on the Lions but bottom line, Stafford is better than Goff. Lets not get that twisted.

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Not everybody says the Lions "won" this trade

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-rams-won-stafford-goff-044505617.html

I completely disagree with this article.  This trade gave each team exactly what they needed.  The Rams are built to win now and Stafford gives them a better chance.  The Lions are not built to win now, but they can at least be respectable with Goff.  This upcoming year was going to be a difficult one with or without Stafford.  So they are really only on the hook for 1 season with Goff. You can certainly draft a QB next year because you can rid yourself of Goff's contract after the 2022 season.  It also doesn't necessarily preclude the Lions from drafting a QB this season if there is one the Lions really like.

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1 minute ago, NYLion said:

Because the narrative comes with major context. Goff had one of the best supporting casts in the league while Stafford... yeah, not to mention McVay vs. the Lions revolving door of coaches. There were many seasons when Stafford was all on his own. Goff was heavily insulated in that Rams system.

The one positive I could see about this is that the Lions offensive line is better than the Rams offensive line in pass protection in particular so he isn't likely to be under pressure as much on the Lions but bottom line, Stafford is better than Goff. Lets not get that twisted.

I don't think the Rams receiving core is better, when healthy, than Golladay, Hockenson, and Jones. The Rams had a better run game. Why is McVay some sort of offensive legend? His Washington offensives finished no better than 10th and he has had two good offenses, both with Goff. 

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