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A good trade: we effectively get Stafford at age 26 again, and several high draft picks.   

I wouldn't mind if they are able to turn it around quickly of course, but in this situation I hope they tear it down from top to bottom and rebuild it, rather than trying to retool this mess.

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20 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

 Second, we completely miss out on the window of having a good, young QB on a rookie contract to build around. That's what a lot of the best teams in the NFL are doing right now, 

Again, not true. 

6 of the 10 top highest paid QBs were on playoffs teams (3 of the top 4). 3 of the 14 teams had QBs on rookie deals.

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21 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If they pass on Fields/Lance/Wilson because they have Goff as their starter than that just sucks on multiple levels. First, Goff is nothing more than a game manager QB at this point and not a very good one given the amount of turnovers he produces. I don't view Goff as the guy to build around. His cap hit and cap % are too large to just keep him here as a game manager type, unlike a Tyrod Taylor or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Second, we completely miss out on the window of having a good, young QB on a rookie contract to build around. That's what a lot of the best teams in the NFL are doing right now, spending big in free agency while their QB is still on his rookie deal (Chiefs did it, Seahawks did it, Bills and Ravens are doing it now). Third, if Sean McVay, probably one of the top 3-4 offensive coaching minds in the league couldn't get more out of Goff do we think Anthony Lynn and his offensive staff will be able to?

I'm certainly not opposed to taking a QB at 7, but I trust guys like Holmes and Dorsey's evaluation, I think if they truly believe one of those guys are special and can't miss they will take them, if they just think they are no different than your standard 1st round QB that is available every year I think they will pass.   Which if they believe I think that would be the right decision.    I'd rather build up the rest of the team, see if you got anything in Goff and then draft a QB.    

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56 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Second, we completely miss out on the window of having a good, young QB on a rookie contract to build around. That's what a lot of the best teams in the NFL are doing right now, spending big in free agency while their QB is still on his rookie deal (Chiefs did it, Seahawks did it, Bills and Ravens are doing it now). 

So are the Bears and several other teams. How's that work out for them. It took the Lions 50 years to find a very good QB. But fans expect a new GM to come in and find the next Matthew Stafford in a single draft. Fans that were so quick to critcize Matthew are now going to get what they want, something real to complain about.

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8 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

So are the Bears and several other teams. How's that work out for them. It took the Lions 50 years to find a very good QB. But fans expect a new GM to come in and find the next Matthew Stafford in a single draft. Fans that were so quick to critcize Matthew are now going to get what they want, something real to complain about.

The Lions are not likely ever to have a QB as good as Stafford. 

OTOH, Holmes has taken a big step toward demonstrating the resourcefulness necessary to building a complete team. 

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I still don't get the negative passion that Goff drives in this deal from some. If he sucks, they move on to a QB they have already drafted or draft one next year... if he is 2018 Goff, it gives the team options going forward. 

Just take the W and move on. The Lions got a nice haul of picks, and that probably wouldn't have happened without his inclusion 

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53 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'm certainly not opposed to taking a QB at 7, but I trust guys like Holmes and Dorsey's evaluation, I think if they truly believe one of those guys are special and can't miss they will take them, if they just think they are no different than your standard 1st round QB that is available every year I think they will pass.   Which if they believe I think that would be the right decision.    I'd rather build up the rest of the team, see if you got anything in Goff and then draft a QB.    

NFL teams spend an intense about of time creating their board. They will, and should, take whomever is the highest ranked at the time. There should never be the expectation that someone will take a quarterback because they need one, trust your board.

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'm certainly not opposed to taking a QB at 7, but I trust guys like Holmes and Dorsey's evaluation, I think if they truly believe one of those guys are special and can't miss they will take them, if they just think they are no different than your standard 1st round QB that is available every year I think they will pass.   Which if they believe I think that would be the right decision.    I'd rather build up the rest of the team, see if you got anything in Goff and then draft a QB.    

With their situation, for the longer term, it almost seems best to focus more on the defense with this draft... Quinn/Patricia left a pretty bare cupboard on that side of the ball.

Go QB next year if needed

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Third, if Sean McVay, probably one of the top 3-4 offensive coaching minds in the league couldn't get more out of Goff do we think Anthony Lynn and his offensive staff will be able to?

I don't know how Goff will/won't do, but there is no rule that the Venn diagrams for being a great football strategist and being a great personal performance coach have to overlap. McVay can be a great football mind and still have a poisonous relationship with his QB. You may be completely correct but I don't think that is the best argument for your case.

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24 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I still don't get the negative passion that Goff drives in this deal from some. If he sucks, they move on to a QB they have already drafted or draft one next year... if he is 2018 Goff, it gives the team options going forward.

Just take the W and move on.

He is an enigma, so we can all project what we think onto him.  My own guess lines up with those that think they will play him at least one year and go defense with this draft - seems like a wager with a lot more potential upside than downside.

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I don't get this rookie contract argument. If the QB is good, at some point you have to pay him. If you are expecting a 2-3 year rebuild, you are essentially wasting this rookie contract you covet and then have to pay him. Do you trade QBs every couple years because of a rookie contract? I remember this argument being made because how successful Goff was and Stafford hadn't won a playoff game. Oh the irony. 

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8 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I don't know how Goff will/won't do, but there is no rule that the Venn diagrams for being a great football strategist and being a great personal performance coach have to overlap. McVay can be a great football mind and still have a poisonous relationship with his QB. You may be completely correct but I don't think that is the best argument for your case.

I don't watch many Rams games, but my outside impression is that the CW is, fair or not, that McVay swooped in and saved his career. And that when they win, McVay gets the credit, and that Goff has been the scapegoat for when they lose. 

I'd be curious to hear a Rams fan perspective on it... just my perspective from the outside. But that kind of relationship will inevitably fuel resentment.

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with the lions' cap situation, im not sure i want them to spend huge money on kenny golladay.  he just spent a season being "injured" and will be extremely expensive to keep.  the lions have a ton of holes to fill, do they need to be throwing up that kind of money for golladay?

just draft a receiver.  there seem to be tons of them available every year.

maybe they can deal golladay for more picks?

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

with the lions' cap situation, im not sure i want them to spend huge money on kenny golladay.  he just spent a season being "injured" and will be extremely expensive to keep.  the lions have a ton of holes to fill, do they need to be throwing up that kind of money for golladay?

just draft a receiver.  there seem to be tons of them available every year.

maybe they can deal golladay for more picks?

I'm hesitant to throw money at Golladay. I would draft a WR regardless if you plan to keep Golladay for the long term. 

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11 hours ago, Buddha said:

I'm conflicted between wanting Stafford to win a Super Bowl and wanting the Rams to lose because it will be a better pick for the Lions.

I kinda still want to see Stafford win though, I like him.

He can win it in 2024.

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11 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i predict the lions end up trading at least one of those rams picks to go up and get a qb, either this year or next year.

I’ve seen a couple comparisons between UNC’s Sam Howell and Stafford. Maybe wait a year and package a deal to get him?

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I'm waiting to see what Goff does before I start thinking QBs. He could be the next Tannehill or, dare I say, Drew Brees. The Rams packaged picks to draft Goff. Philadelphia packaged picks to draft Wentz. Look where both ended up. I don't believe the Lions will draft a QB. I read some reports that Washington offered a better up front package. I think the Lions wanted to take a chance on Goff. Holmes knows him as well as anyone. 

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10 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

What bothers me is we just got out of a very bad relationship with a Coach and GM who kept going back to their old team for players...........and the new GM does the same thing.         I will trust John Dorsey here.............he's pretty good at QBs,  plus maybe the Lions weren't getting the offers we all believed they would.     They have to focus most of the draft on defense anyway.   Maybe take a receiver with one of their Top 3 round picks but the rest should probably be all defense.  

I think taking on Goff was more of a help to Rams vs. the Lions thinking this is the solution at QB.  I mean, 3/4 of what they got (looking at it as pure numbers) are draft picks, not players.  Honestly, I think Goff gives them flexibility in deciding how they want to approach this draft and the coming year.  I'm not too worried based on this trade alone.  Now, obviously if it becomes a bigger thing then it might be a problem, but based solely on this, I'm not worried.

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