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6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

It also doesn't sound like Houston is ready to trade him. They may force him to sit out the season. 

I would like to congratulate the Houston Texas on dethroning the Lions as the worst-run organization in the NFL,  at the hands of Bill Belichick cultists, too.   

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Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

I would like to congratulate the Houston Texas on dethroning the Lions as the worst-run organization in the NFL,  at the hands of Bill Belichick cultists, too.   

They're going to put together their coaching staff and try to convince him to stay. It seems reasonable. They also can't trade him until after June 1st without taking a cap hit so I'm not sure they can trade him for 2021 draft picks. 

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The Saints would be such a good spot for him.........They'd be unstoppable.   But they are $100 million over the salary cap WITHOUT counting Brees, so that's not going to happen . 

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Jacksonville makes some sense. Houston can draft Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville gets a young and proven franchise QB. Jacksonville has multiple picks and cap space. 

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It makes little sense for Houston to trade Watson, but if he doesn’t want to be there, he can forfeit all his money and sit out, forcing the teams hand.  Trading Watson would total $21M in dead cap. If he is on their roster his salary and signing bonus is about $16M.  So this adds $5M to the Texans cap.  They are already projected to be about $20M over the 2021 cap.  So they would need to clear $25M.

For a team acquiring him. They get generational talent entering his prime for 5 years at less than $30M a year.  Texans should do all they can to keep him, I think everyone knows that though.

Worst franchise in the league currently. 

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27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Jacksonville makes some sense. Houston can draft Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville gets a young and proven franchise QB. Jacksonville has multiple picks and cap space. 

I wouldn't do that if I was Jacksonville. They could build much more of a team around Lawrence with his cheap rookie contract and  he has higher upside than Watson IMO.

As has been mentioned, the Jets and Dolphins seem like logical destination due to having the assets and cap space to get it done, plus locations that he's likely to waive his no trade for. New York for brand name purposes and Miami because it's Miami and they have a competitive team in place already.

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2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I'm not convinced Houston trades him. 

 

I wonder if anything stops Watson from saying "ok fine, I'll play along, but I still want out.... also my back really hurts right now". Or day one of training camp "ouch this turf toe is really nagging"

I have to imagine the NFLPA would defend him in a case like this, because it would be nearly impossible to prove the truth of the situation, and for the NFL club to call BS and fine him seems like a potential slippery slope.

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4 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I wonder if anything stops Watson from saying "ok fine, I'll play along, but I still want out.... also my back really hurts right now". Or day one of training camp "ouch this turf toe is really nagging"

I have to imagine the NFLPA would defend him in a case like this, because it would be nearly impossible to prove the truth of the situation, and for the NFL club to call BS and fine him seems like a potential slippery slope.

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2 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

It makes little sense for Houston to trade Watson, but if he doesn’t want to be there, he can forfeit all his money and sit out, forcing the teams hand.  Trading Watson would total $21M in dead cap. If he is on their roster his salary and signing bonus is about $16M.  So this adds $5M to the Texans cap.  They are already projected to be about $20M over the 2021 cap.  So they would need to clear $25M.

For a team acquiring him. They get generational talent entering his prime for 5 years at less than $30M a year.  Texans should do all they can to keep him, I think everyone knows that though.

Worst franchise in the league currently. 

Yes they are.  They are a joke and it was the arrogance of a former Patriot assistant that did them in - so they hire another New England guy as the GM.   No wonder Watson wants out.           HEY, NFL,  WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REALIZE THAT THE BELICHICK TREE IS ROTTEN ?     

 

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9 minutes ago, NYLion said:

I wouldn't do that if I was Jacksonville. They could build much more of a team around Lawrence with his cheap rookie contract and  he has higher upside than Watson IMO.

As has been mentioned, the Jets and Dolphins seem like logical destination due to having the assets and cap space to get it done, plus locations that he's likely to waive his no trade for. New York for brand name purposes and Miami because it's Miami and they have a competitive team in place already.

This Trevor Lawrence hype is getting excessive. I trade him for Watson and don't look back. 

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1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Yes they are.  They are a joke and it was the arrogance of a former Patriot assistant that did them in - so they hire another New England guy as the GM.   No wonder Watson wants out.           HEY, NFL,  WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REALIZE THAT THE BELICHICK TREE IS ROTTEN ?     

 

He literally signed a contract in September and within 4 months is reneging because he didn't get to pick the GM. If I'm Houston I call his bluff. 

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9 hours ago, Protege said:

Correct. It can however be agreed upon though and released to media. 

But if he's still on the Detroit roster on March 11th, we have to pay him a huge roster bonus. I <think> it's March 11th, so look for him to get moved before then.

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I know trading him after the draft is a better fit for Houston,  maybe they make an agreement with Miami and Miami is essentially picking for Houston in the draft.     I don't know, but if a guy wants out, let him go,  it's only going to make things worse for longer.   

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12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This Trevor Lawrence hype is getting excessive. I trade him for Watson and don't look back. 

No, it's not excessive. He has all the tools you'd want in a franchise QB which doesn't mean he'll reach his upside or even be better than Watson but the upside is enormous. Your downplaying of him is excessive. 

Also, trades aren't as simple as "Trade the unproven prospect for the proven guy". There's a financial aspect to this also. You're getting a lot more savings with Lawrence for the next 5 years.

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2 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Detroit trying to squeeze more picks. 

No team picking higher than SF is a realistic option. Denver is kinda of a pipe dream. So by getting it out there your basically telling teams like the Colts they are offering us pick 12. You only have 21 so if you want to jump them better through in some future 1/2s as well. 

What makes Denver a pipe dream? They are a healthy team (Von Miller and Courtland Sutton were out all last year) and better QB play than what Drew Lock is giving them from being a competitive playoff team. Now, I don't think Stafford will get them to a Super Bowl or past some of the better AFC teams, but they may think that and want him.

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To play the game, what would it take to pry him from the Texans? I think it would probably take Stafford, 2021 1st and 3rd, 2022 1st and 4th, and maybe a player like Golladay (who would have to sign a franchise tag tender first). The 2022 4th would probably be conditional to a 3rd too if Golladay didn't re-sign.

Watson is a top five QB without a doubt, but the price it would take would set us pretty far back in re-establishing a defense and getting Watson weapons through the draft. I think Holmes is good but he can't pull new draft picks out of his hat when we don't have any left. We may be closer to becoming competitive by taking one of Lance/Fields/Wilson, even if they don't live up to Watson's level of play.

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1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I know trading him after the draft is a better fit for Houston,  maybe they make an agreement with Miami and Miami is essentially picking for Houston in the draft.     I don't know, but if a guy wants out, let him go,  it's only going to make things worse for longer.   

Then what if he changes his mind again and Miami just drafted players they didn't want? I understand letting him go, but at the same time, he literally just signed a contract. He agreed to this extension even after they O'Brien made all his boneheaded moves. 

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4 minutes ago, NYLion said:

No, it's not excessive. He has all the tools you'd want in a franchise QB which doesn't mean he'll reach his upside or even be better than Watson but the upside is enormous. Your downplaying of him is excessive. 

Also, trades aren't as simple as "Trade the unproven prospect for the proven guy". There's a financial aspect to this also. You're getting a lot more savings with Lawrence for the next 5 years.

But the proven guy we are talking about is only 25 and one of the best in the NFL. I understand the financial aspect but Jacksonville has the most cap space in the NFL. They can afford Watson's contract and still sign some free agents. I mean, when Trevor Lawrence is one of the greatest QBs ever, he's going to demand a large contract that is probably larger than Watson's. 

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4 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

To play the game, what would it take to pry him from the Texans? I think it would probably take Stafford, 2021 1st and 3rd, 2022 1st and 4th, and maybe a player like Golladay (who would have to sign a franchise tag tender first). The 2022 4th would probably be conditional to a 3rd too if Golladay didn't re-sign.

Watson is a top five QB without a doubt, but the price it would take would set us pretty far back in re-establishing a defense and getting Watson weapons through the draft. I think Holmes is good but he can't pull new draft picks out of his hat when we don't have any left. We may be closer to becoming competitive by taking one of Lance/Fields/Wilson, even if they don't live up to Watson's level of play.

It should take less than that. Seriously, how much more do you think another team can offer? If Stafford is worth at least a 1st possibly two, Golladay is probably worth a 1st, that's 4 1st round picks possibly 5. The Jets could possibly send 3 and not be totally depleted. Miami has picks plus Tua, but other than that, I don't see it. 

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20 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

But the proven guy we are talking about is only 25 and one of the best in the NFL. I understand the financial aspect but Jacksonville has the most cap space in the NFL. They can afford Watson's contract and still sign some free agents. I mean, when Trevor Lawrence is one of the greatest QBs ever, he's going to demand a large contract that is probably larger than Watson's. 

The bottom line is a generational QB prospect with 5 years of rookie wage is going to be more valued than a top 5 QB ( but not generational) who has one of the richest contracts in the league IMO. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Jacksonville would consider a straight up swap.

A trade to the Jets seems much more realistic. Of course the Jets will have to add significantly to #2 to get it done and yes, there's a huge gap between #1 and #2 in this draft.

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10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

TBH, it doesn't matter what Stafford thinks. The Lions should take the best trade package even if it comes from one of his lesser desired landing spots. Making a trade to appease Stafford is just bad business.

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Just now, NYLion said:

TBH, it doesn't matter what Stafford thinks. The Lions should take the best trade package even if it comes from one of his lesser desired landing spots. Making a trade to appease Stafford is just bad business.

Does he have a no trade clause?

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Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

Does he have a no trade clause?

I'm guessing he does, admittedly I had no clue those even existed in the NFL until 15 minutes ago when I read an article about Watson and how he has one so I'm guessing if he does Stafford probably does too.  

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