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1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Jerry Jones and Al Davis hadn't won Super Bowls in decades. Besides, Jerry Jones won Super Bowls with Jimmy Johnson's player. When he forced Johnson out to take over personnel control, the Cowboys were never contenders again. Only with the remnants of Johnson's team. 

Yes, when was the last time the Lions won?

The problem with the Lions is that ownership has been disengaged. Sheila needs to change that.

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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

which of course goes both ways - for all we know she could end up a "meddler" - which could also cut either way.

Yep.  I’ll keep an open mind.  Love that she brought in Spielman. 

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

Yes, when was the last time the Lions won?

The problem with the Lions is that ownership has been disengaged. Sheila needs to change that.

Jimmy Johnson built that Cowboys team and Jerry Jones tore it down and hasn't been a contender since. I don't see how this is an endorsement for Jones. 

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

Yes, when was the last time the Lions won?

The problem with the Lions is that ownership has been disengaged. Sheila needs to change that.

You can be engaged without making football decisions. I don't want Shelia Ford or Rod Wood making personnel-related moves at all, sans maybe blocking the Okudah pick last year.

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From Birkett's story: 

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Holmes, 41, has never run a building before, but Bill Hayes, Holmes' former college coach at North Carolina A&T, said that should not be a problem for a former team captain who has natural leadership ability.

Spielman is going to need to be hands-on working with Holmes. He is inheriting a lot of experienced folks like Disner and Kyle O'Brien. A lot can go wrong.

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1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

You can be engaged without making football decisions. I don't want Shelia Ford or Rod Wood making personnel-related moves at all, sans maybe blocking the Okudah pick last year.

You don't want them making personnel-related moves except for the biggest roster decision of the offseason. 

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1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

You can be engaged without making football decisions. I don't want Shelia Ford or Rod Wood making personnel-related moves at all, sans maybe blocking the Okudah pick last year.

If and when the team is deciding to use a pick on a QB to replace Stafford, Sheila damn well better be involved in those conversations. It would be irresponsible for her not to be.

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1 minute ago, Jason_R said:

From Birkett's story: 

Spielman is going to need to be hands-on working with Holmes. He is inheriting a lot of experienced folks like Disner and Kyle O'Brien. A lot can go wrong.

Spielman is inexperienced himself. They really needed an experienced guy to fix this giant mess. This is a tough gig for a guy to jump from college scouting to GM.

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Obviously, after the head coach selection, the biggest decision will be how Holmes deals with the Stafford.   The Rams made their initial run by taking advantage of rookie contracts at expensive positions like QB & RB to give them the flexibility to sign some quality free agents.  Wonder if he will choose the same route to build or pivot in a different direction.    Stafford is a million times better than the 2015 versions of Nick Foles or Case Keenum. 

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Just now, Hongbit said:

Obviously, after the head coach selection, the biggest decision will be interesting how Holmes deals with the Stafford.   The Rams made their initial run by taking advantage of rookie contracts at expensive positions like QB & RB to give them the flexibility to sign some quality free agents.  Wonder if he will choose the same route to build or pivot in a different direction.    

Then the Rams signed Goff, Donald, Gurley, Ramsey etc. to massive contracts. 

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3 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Spielman is inexperienced himself. They really needed an experienced guy to fix this giant mess. This is a tough gig for a guy to jump from college scouting to GM.

Yes, and this worries me. 

Spielman will need to be the guy who keeps egos in check, so that Holmes can grow into his role. Holmes won't be off the training wheels as GM, frankly, until the end of his first contract.

Wood will need to make sure the franchise has a long term view on FA contracts and budget.  

But Holmes does seem to have a very strong reputation as an identifier of college talent. This is good. 

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Per Dave Birkett, the Rams had 13 starters over the last 4 drafts WITHOUT a single 1st rounder. They have the 3rd youngest team in football. Compare that to Quinn who couldn't find starters with 1st rounders.

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7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Then the Rams signed Goff, Donald, Gurley, Ramsey etc. to massive contracts. 

The window closed quick and now they are dealing with major cap issues.  Still, they made the playoffs three times,  won three playoff games, won the division twice, and made it to the super bowl.  If that happened here, Brad Holmes could run for Governor and win in a landslide.  

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4 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Yes, and this worries me. 

Spielman will need to be the guy who keeps egos in check, so that Holmes can grow into his role. Holmes won't be off the training wheels as GM, frankly, until the end of his first contract.

Wood will need to make sure the franchise has a long term view on FA contracts and budget.  

But Holmes does seem to have a very strong reputation as an identifier of college talent. This is good. 

Yeah, I'm hopeful on that front and he was sought after especially by Atlanta so I think they wanted to jump on Holmes before Atlanta scooped him up.

I'd be very interested to see who he hires as coach. They almost have to go with experience, no? In that case, Lewis and Bowles would seem to be the frontrunners.

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15 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

You can be engaged without making football decisions. I don't want Shelia Ford or Rod Wood making personnel-related moves at all, sans maybe blocking the Okudah pick last year.

yeah - there actually is a system for managing people whose job you don't know how to do yourself. You simply have them formalize the objectives they state and the timelines for them. Then you force them to regularly report on progress to date or needs to modify the objectives. One of the best tools you have in managing any good employee is just to help keep them constantly focused on their own objectives.

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21 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

If and when the team is deciding to use a pick on a QB to replace Stafford, Sheila damn well better be involved in those conversations. It would be irresponsible for her not to be.

For me, she should have ZERO input on it at all.  Even from a positional stand point..."Hey Shiela do you mind if we take a QB at #3?"...she should not be consulted with that IMO.  And DEF should not be in on the talks about who to pick.

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4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

The window closed quick and now they are dealing with major cap issues.  Still, they made the playoffs three times,  won three playoff games, won the division twice, and made it to the super bowl.  If that happened here, Brad Holmes could run for Governor and win in a landslide.  

I hope he doesn't run the pro roster the way the Rams have. I would have extended Goff and Donald but sometimes you need to make tough decisions and would have parted way with Gurley. I also don't trade all those picks for Ramsey and sign him to a massive contract. Frankly, the only reason the Rams have stayed in contention is because they draft well which is Holmes wheelhouse. 

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The 49ers hired John Lynch who hired Kyle Shanahan and made it to a Super Bowl. I'm not convinced they will hire a HC based on experience. I could see them hiring a former GM as an assistant like San Francisco did with Mayhew. 

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The good news is if Holmes does want to move on from Stafford in this years draft, barring him wanting to trade up for Lawrence, he'll likely have his choice of Fields/Wilson/Lance at #7. So I don't foresee a massive, Jared Goff with multiple 1st round picks, type of trade happening this year.

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

The 49ers hired John Lynch who hired Kyle Shanahan and made it to a Super Bowl. I'm not convinced they will hire a HC based on experience. I could see them hiring a former GM as an assistant like San Francisco did with Mayhew. 

Brian Xanders works with the Rams as a Personnel Assistant, maybe he comes back to Detroit with Holmes. I'd like to see Holmes have full autonomy over her personnel people and his scouting staff and be able to hire or fire anyone he wants.

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