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26 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I think if we look at ownership form a historical perspective the Lions are clearly the worst. It's probably too early to judge Sheila at this point and say she is or isn't the worst.

Shad Khan in Jax wants to maintain roster control. That’s a big problem.   The McNairs are a colossal train wreck and gave control first to Bill O’Brien and now to an inexperienced team pastor because he shares their belief in Jesus.   Don’t get me started on Trump’s little ***** in NY. 

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33 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I think if we look at ownership form a historical perspective the Lions are clearly the worst. It's probably too early to judge Sheila at this point and say she is or isn't the worst.

Don't agree at all. GMs want control and, say what you want about the Fords, but they have always stepped back and allowed GMs/Team Presidents full autonomy to make personnel decisions. I'd say the Lions are pretty high up on the list in that respect while on the other hand, the Jags and Texans that have highly meddlesome owners are probably low on the desirable list.

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and again, there are only 32 job openings and they all pay very well.

someone will take it.

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and TBH, SHF has no track record. I don't think any GM candidate, who we assume is probably going to be a bright guy, is going to have any confusion over the fact that for good or ill he is not dealing with WCF, WCF Jr, or Martha Ford so there is not much point is assuming whatever was past is prologue. SHF will have to make her own case if she wants anyone with another option.

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lions interviewing george paton from the vikings.

world war ii memes for everyone!

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6 hours ago, Buddha said:

and again, there are only 32 job openings and they all pay very well.

someone will take it.

And this year's problems (cap space basically) doesn't exist after 2021. Basically all of quinns signings can be cut with minimal cap hits. all these jobs  are multi year rebuilds anyway

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22 hours ago, NYLion said:

Perhaps, it just seems unusual to interview coaches without a GM.

Actually that's become more of a trend. Choose a coach and let htem have a say in GM

WFT, Jets, SF, Seattle, all hired coach before the GM

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1 hour ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Actually that's become more of a trend. Choose a coach and let htem have a say in GM

WFT, Jets, SF, Seattle, all hired coach before the GM

Maybe Chris Spielman is going to be the GM 

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Also, Pederson is going to need some ice.

Joe Judge: We will never do what Eagles did as long as I am the Giants coach

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“Obviously players have asked me throughout the day, and I just can’t express that the one thing to keep in mind with this season is we had a lot of people opt in to this season,” Judge said, via video from Ralph Vacchiano of SNY. “We had a lot of people opt in. Coaches, players. That includes family members as well. All right? So to look at a group of grown men who I ask to give me effort on a day in, day out basis and to empty the tank, and then I can look them in the eye and assure them I’m going to do everything I can to put them in a competitive advantage and play them in a position of strength. To me, you don’t ever want to disrespect those players and their effort and disrespect the game. The sacrifices that they made to come into work every day and test before coming in, to sit in meetings spaced out, to wear a mask, to have shields over those masks, to go through our extensive protocols, to travel in unconventional ways, to get text messages at 6:30 in the morning telling them practice was going to be canceled; we have to do a virtual day. To tell them, please don’t have your family over for Thanksgiving. Please avoid Christmas gatherings. We know it’s our wife’s birthday, but let’s make sure we put that one off until the offseason. There’s a number of sacrifices that have been made by all the players and coaches in this league. There’s a number of sacrifices that come along, as well, with the family members and the people connected to them.

To disrespect the effort that everyone put forward to make this season a success for the National Football League, to disrespect the game by going out there and not competing for 60 minutes and doing everything you can to help those players win, we will never do that as long as I’m the head coach of the New York Giants.”

 

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i wish the league would punish the eagles.  it wont, but it should.

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7 hours ago, sagnam said:

You know what?   The Giants need to just shut up and stop whining.  They were 6-10 and have no business going into the playoffs.  If they were 8-8 or 9-7, sure, fine, complain.     The Washington team shouldn't be in the playoffs either, but that's the rules and "dems da breaks".  You want to prevent the Eagles from keeping you out of the playoffs - try winning more than 6 games.  

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49 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i wish the league would punish the eagles.  it wont, but it should.

this one feels pretty simple, but how would a rule draw the difference between this and a team that has clinched the playoffs holding out their QB or other players in a final game that doesn't affect them (but which still might affect the other team), which is not uncommon and seems to be acceptable. Is the difference that holding out your QB as part of an effort to make sure you have a better shot to win the playoffs next week is OK but taking him out to get a better player so you can have a better chance to win the playoffs in a future year is not? Or as one commentator said, how much difference would it have made in the perception if Sudfeld had just been tapped to start the game? Or would it make a difference if Hurt was a FA next season and the guy they started was the #2 young understudy who was coming back instead of the 3rd stringer? Is it more OK to decide not to compete as long as you do it before the game starts instead of during it? I think this is actually part why this feels worse but why is this true? What changes once the game starts? And obviously different people have widely differing views on 'tanking' in general.

I'm not arguing Pederson shouldn't have done what he did, only that the *sense* how bad/dumb it was is easier to separate than the exact logic of why it feels different from other things that are similar but more acceptable.

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its impossible to punish them, i just wish there was someway to do it.

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How do we know it was Pederson who made the decision and not upper management who told him to blow the game? They should of just put Carson Wentz in. They still lose but at least it wouldn't look as obvious. 

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14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

You know what?   The Giants need to just shut up and stop whining.  They were 6-10 and have no business going into the playoffs.  If they were 8-8 or 9-7, sure, fine, complain.     The Washington team shouldn't be in the playoffs either, but that's the rules and "dems da breaks".  You want to prevent the Eagles from keeping you out of the playoffs - try winning more than 6 games.  

Why?  They've acknowledged that they needed to win more games.  That doesn't mean that they don't have the right to comment on the most obvious tanking since Tampa Bay in 2014 when asked, repeatedly, by reporters.  You are seeing their comments because they are being asked about it since it directly affected them.

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18 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

How do we know it was Pederson who made the decision and not upper management who told him to blow the game? 

That is a fair point with regard to the fallout to Pederson personally.  Of course if Roseman ordered it and is letting Pederson be the fall guy that is pretty epic scumbaggery.

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45 minutes ago, Buddha said:

its impossible to punish them, i just wish there was someway to do it.

You can avoid this by having some kind of lottery for the bottom 10 teams.    But I don't care about some stupid 6-10 teams feeling like they've been cheated.     Don't the Giants realize they are better off in the long run too - because now they get a better pick.  They would have gotten leveled in the playoffs.   

I hate both New York teams anyway.  Eagles fans have got to be loving this, not only do they secure a better draft pick, but they get to screw the Giants at the same time.   

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14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

You can avoid this by having some kind of lottery for the bottom 10 teams.    But I don't care about some stupid 6-10 teams feeling like they've been cheated.     Don't the Giants realize they are better off in the long run too - because now they get a better pick.  They would have gotten leveled in the playoffs.   

I hate both New York teams anyway.  Eagles fans have got to be loving this, not only do they secure a better draft pick, but they get to screw the Giants at the same time.   

the problem with lotteries is that they are unfair to the fans.

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Just now, Gehringer_2 said:

the problem with lotteries is that they are unfair to the fans.

Well then, the Eagles used the rules to their advantage.  That's what they are supposed to do.    He didn;t tell his players to quit, he just put in lesser players.       My guess is Doug Pederson was told to do this or it was hinted to him because if not, he'd probably be fired already. 

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17 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Well then, the Eagles used the rules to their advantage.  That's what they are supposed to do.    He didn;t tell his players to quit, he just put in lesser players.       My guess is Doug Pederson was told to do this or it was hinted to him because if not, he'd probably be fired already. 

He put in lesser players (at the most important position mind you) down by 3 in the 4th quarter. The players were baffled by it as was everybody else. This is a good way to put a stain on your organization going into forward for the sake of moving up 3 spots in the draft. I guess he didn't technically break any rules but it was a pathetic display.

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On 1/4/2021 at 12:14 PM, Buddha said:

chargers job just came open.  that would be a good landing spot for harbaugh.

of all the jobs that are open, where do the lions rank?

chargers, falcons, jags, jets, texans, and lions.

i'd say the lions are nearer the bottom than the top.

chargers

jags

texans

falcons/lions

jets

I don't think the Jets should be at the bottom, or even close.  They have nine draft picks this year, including two first-rounders, one of them the Number Two overall; and two third-rounders.  They also have an extra first-round pick in 2022.  Plus they have a huge amount of cap space.  So even though they're in a division with the resurgent Buffalo Bills and that other Bill in New England (if he decides to stick around for a rebuild), with some smart free agency and trade and draft decisions -- i.e., not the kind that the Lions make -- that team could be turned around in a hurry.

A lot of new coaches take over teams that are woefully deficient in talent and without the means  for a quick fix.  Like the Lions' new coach will inherit a joke of a defensive roster,  plus maybe a receivers room with a lot of empty space, and not much money to spend.  The Jets may not fit into that cupboard-is-bare mold. 

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Lotteries are literally the worst.  Not only are they terrible but they don't even discourage tanking.

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The NFL should ask Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman, and Doug Pederson to meet individually with the league’s Competition Committee. They should each be asked to explain why their starting QB was inexplicably benched in a game they had a high likelihood of winning. Then they should leak the answers to the media. 

I don’t think we’d ever see a tank job like this again. 

But OTOH, if the NBA can take the LA Clippers right out of Donald Sterling’s hands, the NFL could impose a fine on the Eagles. 

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