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My  Opening day roster "best guess " is 

13 Pitchers and a shuttle with AAA

2 catchers - Ramos and Haas is my guess because of Greiners injury

DH - Miggy

Infield - Nunez-Schoop-Castro-Candy

Outfield - Groosman-Jones-Mazara

Bench - Paredes- Goodrum- Badoo

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2 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

I don't think Harold is on this team. I think they are going with Paredes and Goodrum as back up infielders.

I think Paredes needs to play full time, either in Toledo or Detroit

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3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I think Paredes needs to play full time, either in Toledo or Detroit

Hinch seemed to be leaning toward Paredes needing to see big league pitching. They can also try to work out a regular trade with the Twins if they want to keep Baddoo.

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Just now, Gehringer_2 said:

Hinch seemed to be leaning toward Paredes needing to see big league pitching. They can also try to work out a regular trade if they want to keep Baddoo.

I don't think Badoo will clear waivers to make a trade with the Twins. He's had 22 plate appearance and has reached base 12 times. Looks calm with good plate awareness , fields well and can fly. he might in time be better than all of our outfielders. Wanna join the fan club ,ha..ha..

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

One or two years after next year would be 2023 or 2024 which is what Buddah predicted.  

I only read his long, long time comment. It was a bit dramatic. 

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

It all could depend on what you guys mean by "contribute"

Maybe the veterans will make Riley contribute by walking the picket line for them next year.

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35 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

My  Opening day roster "best guess " is 

13 Pitchers and a shuttle with AAA

2 catchers - Ramos and Haas is my guess because of Greiners injury

DH - Miggy

Infield - Nunez-Schoop-Castro-Candy

Outfield - Groosman-Jones-Mazara

Bench - Paredes- Goodrum- Badoo

I think it's Nunez or Parades not both, and Reyes makes the team, unless he's traded.

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15 hours ago, Longgone said:

I think it's Nunez or Parades not both, and Reyes makes the team, unless he's traded.

Reyes will make the team.

It does seem as the Baddoo is playing his way onto the roster.  And it does appear that there might be 12 non catchers playing for 11 position spots.

Perhaps one of Jones/Reyes get traded?  Maybe even Candelario?

Nobody wants to hear this, but I wonder what Paredes could acquire in return?  I question his defense long term.  Given his age and some questions about his body type, is he going to age out of a defensive spot too quickly?

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38 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Nobody wants to hear this, but I wonder what Paredes could acquire in return?  I question his defense long term.  Given his age and some questions about his body type, is he going to age out of a defensive spot too quickly?

The last thing we need to do is trade a good young player

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

The last thing we need to do is trade a good young player

But what if you get a good young player in return?

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35 minutes ago, Casimir said:

But what if you get a good young player in return?

So your gonna trade Paredes for what? A stud shortstop? Nobody is giving up a top 50 short stop for the player you described. Another pitcher? Isn't that cutting off yoru nose to spite your face? A right fielder? We already got a pretty good prospect there. FIrst base? ditto.

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23 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

So your gonna trade Paredes for what? A stud shortstop? Nobody is giving up a top 50 short stop for the player you described. Another pitcher? Isn't that cutting off yoru nose to spite your face? A right fielder? We already got a pretty good prospect there. FIrst base? ditto.

I'm not sure Paredes is a 2B and there is chatter of moving CastroW there anyway.

Torkelson holds the long term keys to 3B if he can do it.  So moving Paredes to 3B might not be an option.

They could use a long term SS.  They could use a long term CF.  They can always use more P.  I'm not saying its likely that move Paredes, but I don't view him as an immovable cornerstone as some others do.

And to be clear, I never suggested they could acquire a top 50 shortstop or a top 50 prospect at any position, so I'm not sure how you thought penning that in your reply makes sense.  I merely pondered what a possible return could be and that I question his long term defensive capability.  I'd like to know what the lateral even up trades could yield.

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

Reyes will make the team.

It does seem as the Baddoo is playing his way onto the roster.  And it does appear that there might be 12 non catchers playing for 11 position spots.

Perhaps one of Jones/Reyes get traded?  Maybe even Candelario?

Nobody wants to hear this, but I wonder what Paredes could acquire in return?  I question his defense long term.  Given his age and some questions about his body type, is he going to age out of a defensive spot too quickly?

This is a possibility:

Six infielders: Candelerio, W Castro, Scoop, Cabrera, Goodrum, and either Parades or Nunez, won't hurt Parades to Toledo until eventual injury to someone.

Two catchers: Ramos, Greiner

Five outfielders: Grossman, Jones, Reyes, Mazara, Badoo.

Thirteen pitchers:

You don't need more than one utility infielder, having both Goodrum and H Castro or Garcia would be redundant. Having two fourth outfielders is also redundant, but that's the price you pay to keep a potential future starter.

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I was reading the other day about not falling into the 'comp' trap with young players. Just because a guy looks like some one else does not mean he is going to be like him. Paredes has actually fielded well everywhere he has ever been asked to play. Of course he *might* get too heavy, but any player might get too heavy. It's something to watch, but you can't worry too much about projection if it's being counter-balanced by concrete performance.

My own mea-culpa on this one was Trout. I looked at his football player physique when he came up and didn't think there was any way he wasn't going to gain weight and get slow. Not so much it turned out!

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LOL - After listening to Hinch talk about attention to detail yesterday I can't think H. Castro helped his cause much running up the back of the baserunner in front of him.  :dead:

Also, I think when Jones is one of your OFs you just need to plan on having his backup close at hand. Maybe not on the roster immediately but you need to keep your depth close at hand as JaCoby has provided too much evidence of being a guy that can not stay on the field.

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17 minutes ago, Longgone said:

This is a possibility:

Six infielders: Candelerio, W Castro, Scoop, Cabrera, Goodrum, and either Parades or Nunez, won't hurt Parades to Toledo until eventual injury to someone.

Two catchers: Ramos, Greiner

Five outfielders: Grossman, Jones, Reyes, Mazara, Badoo.

Thirteen pitchers:

You don't need more than one utility infielder, having both Goodrum and H Castro or Garcia would be redundant. Having two fourth outfielders is also redundant, but that's the price you pay to keep a potential future starter.

I guess another possibility could be Nunez down to Toledo, Candelario at 1B and Paredes at 3B to start the season.  Nunez just got his first bit of playing time yesterday and isn't on the 40 man yet.

I would imagine Garcia is going to Toledo barring a complete unforeseen turn of events.

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21 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I was reading the other day about not falling into the 'comp' trap with young players. Just because a guy looks like some one else does not mean he is going to be like him. Paredes has actually fielded well everywhere he has ever been asked to play. Of course he *might* get too heavy, but any player might get too heavy. It's something to watch, but you can't worry too much about projection if it's being counter-balanced by concrete performance.

My own mea-culpa on this one was Trout. I looked at his football player physique when he came up and didn't think there was any way he wasn't going to gain weight and get slow. Not so much it turned out!

Maybe with more shifting this isn't a big deal, but does he have enough range for 2B?  Its one thing to field everything once its with reach.  But where on the defensive range between Deivi Cruz and Jose Iglesias does Paredes' IF range fall?  The extra weight probably doesn't help him in that regard.

And I get other teams can see this for themselves as well.  And maybe its not likely that he is dealt.  But if a team has an interest in adding him at 3B as an inexpensive fit to their team right now, what are they willing to give up?  Teams see some things differently and have different timelines and priorities et al.  It'd be interesting to see how other teams view Paredes specifically and the Tigers in general.

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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

You don't need more than one utility infielder,

the three batter rule for pitchers and the number of switch hitters the Tigers can field both help a lot in this regard. Not to mention - why pinch hit for someone when you have no big bats on the bench anyway......:ermm:

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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

This is a possibility:

Six infielders: Candelerio, W Castro, Scoop, Cabrera, Goodrum, and either Parades or Nunez, won't hurt Parades to Toledo until eventual injury to someone.

Two catchers: Ramos, Greiner

Five outfielders: Grossman, Jones, Reyes, Mazara, Badoo.

Thirteen pitchers:

You don't need more than one utility infielder, having both Goodrum and H Castro or Garcia would be redundant. Having two fourth outfielders is also redundant, but that's the price you pay to keep a potential future starter.

This is the way.

Unless there is a trade.

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Good point Nunez is not on the 40. He is probably the wild card. Going to be interesting decision as will the pitching staff. Whatever they do I really hope they keep Badoo. He is true centerfielder and Jones is still questionable over a full season which he still has not completed at a high level. Probably won't happen but it would be interesting to see what a platoon of Badoo/Hill would look like over a full season. 

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38 minutes ago, clinker said:

This is the way.

Unless there is a trade.

I think Candelario has the most trade value and seem to remember there is a couple contenders weak at Third base. I think the Braves are one of them. 

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no talk about the proposed rules changes in the minor leagues?

bigger bases

infielders not allowed to be outside of the infield

pitchers must step off the rubber in order to throw to first.

automatic strike zones w/o umps.

trying to being back running and stealing.  i still dont know why they dont just enforce a pitch clock, its the easiest way to speed up the game.

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

no talk about the proposed rules changes in the minor leagues?

bigger bases

infielders not allowed to be outside of the infield

pitchers must step off the rubber in order to throw to first.

automatic strike zones w/o umps.

trying to being back running and stealing.  i still dont know why they dont just enforce a pitch clock, its the easiest way to speed up the game.

Most of the suggested changes are things fans won't notice that much and they might add something to the game.  Nothing stupid like starting extra innings with a runner on second base.  

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

no talk about the proposed rules changes in the minor leagues?

bigger bases

infielders not allowed to be outside of the infield

pitchers must step off the rubber in order to throw to first.

automatic strike zones w/o umps.

trying to being back running and stealing.  i still dont know why they dont just enforce a pitch clock, its the easiest way to speed up the game.

I would like to see pace of play in between pitches sped up.  I would like to see the baseballs deadened.  MLB could directly implement these.

I would like to see more action on the field of play rather than just home runs or strikeouts.  I don’t know that MLB can directly cause these impacts, but I think that rules governing shifts and such could promote tactical changes by teams.

This is going to sound stupid, but the running lane to first base annoys me.

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Projecting the pitching is a little more difficult:

Starters: Boyd, Turnbull, Teheran, Urenas, Skubal

Pen: Soto, Farmer, Garcia, Cisnero, Alexander, Norris, Holland, Fulmer 

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