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2021 MLB Draft (FUBAR for KUMAR)


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19 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I am generally biased in favor of position players, because pitchers are fragile, but I don't have a  strong opinion as to who they should draft.  They are going to get a very good prospect with the third pick regardless of who they select.  I don't know enough about these guys and even if I did they are too unpredictable to say with any certainty who will have the best career.  

What a boring post.  Posting in absolutes as if you’re an insider is so much more entertaining.

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1 hour ago, Keepleyland2 said:

we actually have no pitchers in the system now that everonye has graduated. need to address that

I think they are in a good spot with Mize and Skubal heading up a future rotation.  I don’t think is anything to be disappointed about Manning quite yet.  All are still young, so who knows.

But, yeah, Wentz and Faedo in the minors as the only foreseeable possibilities is quite discouraging.

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2 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Their final "resting place" for the season all depends on how their pitching holds out. #9 right now but, yeah, I could easily see them gaining or losing a few spots.

Flipside is that I don't think we trade anyone at the deadline, unlike other losing teams. I think Avila & Hinch want wins so they're going to hold onto what they've got... That might help keep us afloat around #9-ish.

Still depends on pitching though...

IMO.

I think Hinch and Avila are wise enough that if a deal comes along that gives more value to the future than this or next year, they’ll do it.  We might argue the value or the return, but I don’t think they’ll be worried about dropping from 70 wins to bellow that. 

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1 hour ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Problem is, which we've staed, is that pick 32 and 39 your hoping to get Tyler Alexander...if your lucky. So putting your eggs in the pitching basket there usually doesn't work out. 

I don't really care who they pick at 3 because they should be a good player. But, to just discount pitching is silly, we need that too.

This is interesting.  Is the prevailing thought that it is easier to hit on hitters in the mid rounds than pitchers?  If that's the case, then I would say Leiter or Jobe should be the pick.  Not sure if that is accurate though.    

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41 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Wentz is 23, Faedo is 25. I am not giving up hope on either, although a bottom rotation guy and a BP piece for a few years may be the best reasonable expectation. Perez on the other hand... 

I’d take it.  Beggars can’t be choosers.

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So, I didn’t know, and maybe others don’t, but the 1st round and competitive balance A picks are tonight.  Detroit has 3 & 32, there are 4 minutes in between 1st round picks and 2 minutes in between A picks, so we’ll know a bit after 7:00 and a bit after 9:00 who the top two Tiger picks are.

The 2nd through 10th round picks start on Monday at 1:00 with 1 mints in between those picks.  So that should conclude around 6:00 and we can bellyache about those results tomorrow night while ignoring the home run derby.

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9 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Regarding Wentz... 

 

 He hasn’t been missing many bats since his return, so I would think this is good.  The walks aren’t as encouraging, but if he’s progressing in stamina, staying healthy, getting guys out (especially striking guys out), it’s going in the right direction.

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1 hour ago, Hart said:

This is interesting.  Is the prevailing thought that it is easier to hit on hitters in the mid rounds than pitchers?  If that's the case, then I would say Leiter or Jobe should be the pick.  Not sure if that is accurate though.    

I haven't look at hitters vs pitchers in later rounds. My guess there is little difference. 

I was mainly just showing/saying how many second through 5th round picks end up as absolutely nothing. 

You certaintly want to draft the next Beiber or MIchael Young, but the reality is they will likely never amount to anything. So saying I'm not going to draft pitcher/hitter cause I can get one later is a foolhearty strategy because those later guys are often nothing. 

The classic recent case for us in Rivera. When he was taken in 2017 all of us went who? This guy isn't on any top list. And look he's struggling going to flame out at A ball. But, the next out fielder taken? He was rated 65th on everybody's list. He is now currently struggling and going to flame out a A ball. 

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18 minutes ago, Casimir said:

He hasn’t been missing many bats since his return, so I would think this is good.  The walks aren’t as encouraging, but if he’s progressing in stamina, staying healthy, getting guys out (especially striking guys out), it’s going in the right direction.

I think control is usually the last thing a rehabbing pitcher gets back?

I'm good with the K's and limited hits as well...

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14 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

speaking of Parker Meadows being a complete bust - he's actually showing some signs of life. After a horrible start he has been OPSing over 700 in June and July. Still fighting to get his BA for the season over 200 though.

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16 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

speaking of Parker Meadows being a complete bust - he's actually showing some signs of life. After a horrible start he has been OPSing over 700 in June and July. Still fighting to get his BA for the season over 200 though.

I think guys like him are the ones that got really screwed by the pandemic. Basically needed to play atnd it didn't hapen, by the time they restart find their groove again, then teams have had two more drafts and they've fallen out of favor as they start to get average age for their leagues. 

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16 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

speaking of Parker Meadows being a complete bust - he's actually showing some signs of life. After a horrible start he has been OPSing over 700 in June and July. Still fighting to get his BA for the season over 200 though.

He's really reworked his swing, takes some time for the new muscle memory to become ingrained.

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40 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

I remain optimistic about Wentz. He was dealing in AA after we got him from the Braves. 

I do too... I think he's a #4/5 on a really good team... which is perfect for the Tigers if Mize-Skubal-Turnbull-Manning all make it...

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33 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

I think guys like him are the ones that got really screwed by the pandemic. Basically needed to play atnd it didn't hapen, by the time they restart find their groove again, then teams have had two more drafts and they've fallen out of favor as they start to get average age for their leagues. 

21 at A+ is still not so bad though.

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11 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

21 at A+ is still not so bad though.

not awful but as i said teams now have two sets of shinny new toys that they are going to be excited about so you mix that in with a league average age A ball player, I imagine in a non-pandemic timeline a few more of em might have made it. 

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3 hours ago, Dan Gilmore said:

Wentz is 23, Faedo is 25. I am not giving up hope on either, although a bottom rotation guy and a BP piece for a few years may be the best reasonable expectation. Perez on the other hand... 

I still think Elvin Rodriguez could turn into a decent starter...

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