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2021 MLB Draft (FUBAR for KUMAR)


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1 minute ago, socaltiger said:

I think it will be Lawler or Leiter. Which ever one Texas does not take assuming Pittsburg takes Mayer. House seems like an "over thinking" choice to me. 

I haven't seen the Tigers linked to Lawler in a looooong time. I think House his higher on their board than Lawler at this point....

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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I will laugh when we look back in 5 yrs and see that Rocker was the most valuable player in this draft all along.....

he certaintly could be. But, the lack of velo and the third pitch are issues. More than likley it wil be some pitcher in the teens that everyone will go, that's who we should have drafted.

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Just now, Gehringer_2 said:

I will laugh when we look back in 5 yrs and see that Rocker was the most valuable player in this draft all along.....

I think thats very possible. Vandy pitcher that looks sturdy. We would have loved getting him just a short while ago. Maybe they still will especially in the wake of Turnbull's situation that could last into next year if he has surgery in the end of his Doctor's chase

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PS (recent drafts):

Rick Porcello was drafted at #27.

Kyle Funkhouser at #115.

Noah Syndergaard at #38.

Aaron Sanchez at #34.

Taijuan Walker at #43.

Kevin Gausman at #202.

James Paxton at #37.

Dallas Keuchel at #221.

Michael Fulmer at #44.

Lance McCullers at #41.

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13 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Problem is, which we've stated, is that pick 32 and 39 your hoping to get Tyler Alexander...

No...

YOU'VE stated that. Who is "we"? And this statement is some kind of "Law"?

BS.

You go ahead and draft Tyler Alexander in the 2nd... I'm drafting Noah Syndergaard (Gavin Williams) at #32 and Rick Porcello (Tommy Mace) at #39.

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2 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

PS (recent drafts):

Rick Porcello was drafted at #27.

Kyle Funkhouser at #115.

Noah Syndergaard at #38.

Aaron Sanchez at #34.

Taijuan Walker at #43.

Kevin Gausman at #202.

James Paxton at #37.

Dallas Keuchel at #221.

Michael Fulmer at #44.

Lance McCullers at #41.

I hate when people do this. 

Yeah you want to go ahead and list all the other pitchers who never made it past double A from those same drafts? Cause its a lot more. 

As I noted in another thread Spencer Turnbull and Tyler Alexander were taken in the second round of back to back drafts and both are the highest war players from those rounds. Thinking your going to find a good player, or one of the ones listed above, is just luck. 

Most picks 32 and later never make AAA let alone the majors so to just say, oh i can grab a good pitcher later, is just as a bad strategy as drafting for need at pick #3.

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3 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

No...

YOU'VE stated that. Who is "we"? And this statement is some kind of "Law"?

BS.

You go ahead and draft Tyler Alexander in the 2nd... I'm drafting Noah Syndergaard (Gavin Williams) at #32 and Rick Porcello (Tommy Mace) at #39.

See my post above. We is the royal we as in baseball fans, or the detroit tigers, or the people that post here. 

I've stated it cause its based on fact. Tyler alexander is the highest WAR player in the second round of his draft. Gives you an idea what to expect from that round. If you look at many 2-5 rounds in teh last decade, sure you find the occasional outlier, but most times the highest war player is about 7. 

 If you think your going to find Noah Syndergaard, who is basically a flash in the pan at this point with all his injuries, your kidding yourself. 

Just thinking your going to find good big league players in round 2 so you can ignroe a position in round 1 is a silly drafting strategy. I agree take the best player, if thats a shortstop so be it. But, don't sit there and be like we can get pitching later becuse that's pretty hard to do. 

Basically after round 2 its all just luck. 

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13 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

I don't think Lawlar-House are better than Leiter. At least not in my world. Maybe in yours. But don't say Im not trying to draft BPA or drafting for need. To me the No. 2 player is a pitcher and we need that too. DOne and done. 

Go for it.

We definitely live on different worlds.

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5 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

... As I noted in another thread Spencer Turnbull and Tyler Alexander were taken in the second round of back to back drafts and both are the highest war players from those rounds. Thinking your going to find a good player, or one of the ones listed above, is just luck....

Like I said, you draft Turnbull and Alexander, I'm drafting Syndergaard and Porcello.

And the reason I did that is that you're making it sound like it's impossible to draft a good pitcher from the 2nd round and after.

Memo: It's not.

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2 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Go for it.

We definitely live on different worlds.

Leiter isn't a high school hitter and has a much higher floor and better fits the timeline. Not to mention he's got what four good pitches and bloodlines. There's a big risk with taking a HS hitter and letting them develop. 

Sure they tend to have higher ceilings but some end up as Alex Jackson.

I'd rather take Leiter let him become a rick procello type, slide him behind Mize and keep that wheel growing instead of taking a similar overall player and waiting five years to hope to have him hit behind Tork.

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1 minute ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Like I said, you draft Turnbull and Alexander, I'm drafting Syndergaard and Porcello.

And the reason I did that is that you're making it sound like it's impossible to draft a good pitcher from the 2nd round and after.

Memo: It's not.

I never said it was. **** I admitted it several times that it is possible to find an outlier. 

But, your so confident your drafting the one guy out of 40 to 80 other guys that aren't that good. It's about being realistic here. 

A draft of House who becomes Normar and then Snydergarrd and Procello in round 2 would be the greatest draft of all time. WHat are the odds of that happening? Or is it better to go in with a realistic expectation of what to expect and not dismiss an entire position group in teh first round? 

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1 minute ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Leiter isn't a high school hitter and has a much higher floor and better fits the timeline. Not to mention he's got what four good pitches and bloodlines. There's a big risk with taking a HS hitter and letting them develop. 

Sure they tend to have higher ceilings but some end up as Alex Jackson.

I'd rather take Leiter let him become a rick procello type, slide him behind Mize and keep that wheel growing instead of taking a similar overall player and waiting five years to hope to have him hit behind Tork.

In other words, not BPA.

The safest pick.

That's what you're going with.

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Just now, 84 Lives!!! said:

In other words, not BPA.

The safest pick.

That's what you're going with.

He is safer and just as good. You're making it seem like Lawler is teh second coming of Arod and Leiter is maybe Nate Conejo. 

They are both what 55 overall type players? Neither is perfect, neither is terrible. So it comes down to nitpicking. In this case, I like the similar rated player with the higher floor. 

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Leiter isn't a high school hitter and has a much higher floor and better fits the timeline. Not to mention he's got what four good pitches and bloodlines. There's a big risk with taking a HS hitter and letting them develop. 

Sure they tend to have higher ceilings but some end up as Alex Jackson.

I'd rather take Leiter let him become a rick procello type, slide him behind Mize and keep that wheel growing instead of taking a similar overall player and waiting five years to hope to have him hit behind Tork.

As the draft time draws near all the high school shortstops seem just that...high school kids and I start to think Leiter - Rocker and Davis might be "safer" and in our current "hopeful" position we really need to add some certainty..or as close as that is in the crap shoot of MLB drafting...to keep our momentum going. Not that I know a bloody thing about scouting but if they call Leiter I will be happy.

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Just now, Keepleyland2 said:

He is safer and just as good. You're making it seem like Lawler is teh second coming of Arod and Leiter is maybe Nate Conejo. 

If the velo stays up, Leiter could be Max. Lawler Nomar. Both pretty good players. 

They are both what 55 overall type players today? Neither is perfect, neither is terrible. So it comes down to nitpicking. In this case, I like the similar rated player with the higher floor. 

I don't know why you think Lawler-House are signficantly better than the pitcher. House'***** tool ain't that great. Lawler is a HS player who doesn't do anything great, just everything really well. 

**** both FG and Pipeline have the SS rated behind Leiter. You say take BPA...

 

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Just now, socaltiger said:

As the draft time draws near all the high school shortstops seem just that...high school kids and I start to think Leiter - Rocker and Davis might be "safer" and in our current "hopeful" position we really need to add some certainty..or as close as that is in the crap shoot of MLB drafting...to keep our momentum going. Not that I know a bloody thing about scouting but if they call Leiter I will be happy.

As I said I'm fine with any of em. I like em al for different reasons. I just don't get the argument that we can ignore pitching, or get it later, or that the SS are somehow light years ahead of somene like Leiter. 

**** FG doesn't even have House or Lawlar as the second best shortstop. 

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1 minute ago, socaltiger said:

This draft seems really wide open. Going to be interesting for sure.

Its a murky draft. There's like 8 players that can go in the 1-6 range. THere is no clear cut 1 guy and no even clear cut 1-4. That's gonna make things fun because nobody knows who is being drafted where. 

The lack of college bats is really impacting things. 

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I am generally biased in favor of position players, because pitchers are fragile, but I don't have a  strong opinion as to who they should draft.  They are going to get a very good prospect with the third pick regardless of who they select.  I don't know enough about these guys and even if I did they are too unpredictable to say with any certainty who will have the best career.  

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