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Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

The guys ahead of Zimm

 

Boyd

Norris

Nova

Turnbull

Fulmer

Alexander

 

All are better options than Zimmermann.   

Norris is out of camp still, isn't he?  Fulmer is coming off of Tommy John and probably under a pitch count per game.

Alexander and Nova are hardly safe bets, but both are going to be needed for multiple innings.

What other pitchers are going to be on the staff that push Zimmermann off of it?

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3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The guys ahead of Zimm

 

Boyd

Norris

Nova

Turnbull

Fulmer

Alexander

 

All are better options than Zimmermann.   

Daniel Norris is still missing from Summer Camp 2020 presented by Camping World, no? Season starts in 7 days with a 30 man active roster. 
 

Seriously, you only have endure Zimmermann for (at most) 60 more games on a bad tigers team. 

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1 minute ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I know there is a level of uncertainty with Alexander and Fulmer (at least right now), but to me that's better than the certainty of how bad Zimmermann will be.  

If it's just about extra bodies, there are extra bodies better than his.  

List them.

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1 minute ago, Shelton said:

Daniel Norris is still missing from Summer Camp 2020 presented by Camping World, no? Season starts in 7 days with a 30 man active roster. 
 

Seriously, you only have endure Zimmermann for (at most) 60 more games on a bad tigers team. 

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2 minutes ago, Casimir said:

List them.

He just listed two in that post. 

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Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

Pretty much any other pitcher on the roster.   

No, come up with the pitching staff for opening day.

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Just now, Casimir said:

No, come up with the pitching staff for opening day.

The starters

Boyd, Turnbull, Nova, Alexander, Fulmer (even on a pitch count)

The Pen (assuming they start with 15 pitchers)

Buck Farmer, Rony Garcia, Bryan Garcia, Joe Jiminez, David McKay, Nick Ramiriez, Gregory Soto, John Schieber, Shao-Ching Chiang, and even Anthony Castro (because we don't have enough Castros on the team).   Add to that the possibility of some other pitchers becoming available before Thursday and I'll take them.    Zimmermann is done. It's over.  Goodbye

 

And as far as "this will be a bad team".   I sure hope the manager and coaches and players don't have that feeling starting the season.   They added real major league players in the off-season.  Why would you come out of the game automatically throwing away 1 out of every 5 games, which is essentially what you're doing with a guy like him.  He's a disaster.   60 game season - Heck if you start the season 11-9, you're in it.  Why can't the Tigers do that?  They started 10-10 last year and this year's batting lineup is a lot better than last year's.    They were 14-16 at what would be the halfway point this year.   Anything can happen this season.   Do I think they'll be bad?  Yes, but who knows?  I sure wouldn't be giving up before it all starts.  

 

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25 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Daniel Norris is still missing from Summer Camp 2020 presented by Camping World, no? Season starts in 7 days with a 30 man active roster. 
 

Seriously, you only have endure Zimmermann for (at most) 60 more games on a bad tigers team. 

Reading between the lines of yesterday's DetNews it sounds like Norris is back as soon as a test report comes in - assuming they think he is going to be negative. Given the backlogs anything form 1 - 5 day from yesterday maybe?

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13 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

And as far as "this will be a bad team".   I sure hope the manager and coaches and players don't have that feeling starting the season.   

Zimmerman and Nova may both be terrible, but they are guaranteed probably a couple of starts each a)because they are going to give them at least a shot, and b) it would be really dumb to burn a year of service time on Mize when they only need to wait out one or two starts.

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If there is a role for Zimmermann it's as the mop up guy.   It they're losing a game 7-1 or something like that, sure, throw him in there and save your better pitchers for a closer game, but having him start is like a white flag move.    

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13 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

The starters

Boyd, Turnbull, Nova, Alexander, Fulmer (even on a pitch count)

The Pen (assuming they start with 15 pitchers)

Buck Farmer, Rony Garcia, Bryan Garcia, Joe Jiminez, David McKay, Nick Ramiriez, Gregory Soto, John Schieber, Shao-Ching Chiang, and even Anthony Castro (because we don't have enough Castros on the team).   Add to that the possibility of some other pitchers becoming available before Thursday and I'll take them.    Zimmermann is done. It's over.  Goodbye

 

And as far as "this will be a bad team".   I sure hope the manager and coaches and players don't have that feeling starting the season.   They added real major league players in the off-season.  Why would you come out of the game automatically throwing away 1 out of every 5 games, which is essentially what you're doing with a guy like him.  He's a disaster.   60 game season - Heck if you start the season 11-9, you're in it.  Why can't the Tigers do that?  They started 10-10 last year and this year's batting lineup is a lot better than last year's.    They were 14-16 at what would be the halfway point this year.   Anything can happen this season.   Do I think they'll be bad?  Yes, but who knows?  I sure wouldn't be giving up before it all starts.  

 

I disagree that all of those bullpen names are demonstrably better than Zimmermann.  Soto and Schieber weren't all that impressive last season.  Chiang, Garcia, and Castro are kind of unknowns.

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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Zimmerman and Nova may both be terrible, but they are guaranteed probably a couple of starts each a)because they are going to give them at least a shot, and b) it would be really dumb to burn a year of service time on Mize when they only need to wait out one or two starts.

I'm not even saying Mize, Manning or Skubal unless, by some miracle, they are 20-15 or something like that.   There are other options.  I'd even take the  Opener approach over Zimm -  and Nova is bad, but not as bad.    

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7 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I'm not even saying Mize, Manning or Skubal unless, by some miracle, they are 20-15 or something like that.   There are other options.  I'd even take the  Opener approach over Zimm -  and Nova is bad, but not as bad.    

Even with the opener approach, how do you fill in 9 innings?  Again, they were up to 13 pitchers most nights with an Uber ready in Detroit & Toledo to exchange an unavailable arm for a fresher arm.  Pitchers are likely not going to have the stamina build up out of camp. 

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I guess we are just playing fast and loose with the 40 man roster here, too. 

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I have not really been tracking the scrimmages or reports out of Summer Camp 2020 presented by Camping World that closely. 
 

Boyd and Turnbull and Nova are locks for the rotation, of course. Fulmer seems like a guy you want in that role, even if you are cutting g the starts short. He needs to be on regularly scheduled work and a routine. Norris would be a guy that I’d like to see in the rotation but he’s been sick. I guess it comes down to Zimmermann or Alexander then for that last spot? I’m all for a true competition and using the best guy (as long as it isn’t one of the kid prospects during the first week).

So I certainly wouldn’t argue that zimmermann must stay in the rotation or that they should throw away 1 out of every 5 games as MCS seemEd to be arguing would happen. 
 

Just use him in the bullpen if he isn’t in the top five starters. I’ll leave it up to the team to determine who those five are. Aside from holding back the mize/manning types for a week, I think they will arrange their staff in the way that gives them the best chance to win. 

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25 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I have not really been tracking the scrimmages or reports out of Summer Camp 2020 presented by Camping World that closely. 
 

Boyd and Turnbull and Nova are locks for the rotation, of course. Fulmer seems like a guy you want in that role, even if you are cutting g the starts short. He needs to be on regularly scheduled work and a routine. Norris would be a guy that I’d like to see in the rotation but he’s been sick. I guess it comes down to Zimmermann or Alexander then for that last spot? I’m all for a true competition and using the best guy (as long as it isn’t one of the kid prospects during the first week).

So I certainly wouldn’t argue that zimmermann must stay in the rotation or that they should throw away 1 out of every 5 games as MCS seemEd to be arguing would happen. 
 

Just use him in the bullpen if he isn’t in the top five starters. I’ll leave it up to the team to determine who those five are. Aside from holding back the mize/manning types for a week, I think they will arrange their staff in the way that gives them the best chance to win. 

IDK, if he can't start would Zimmermann  as soon take his money and go home? If he wanted to I can't imagine the Tigers arguing it.  Zimmermann's objective for this season would be to audition for next years FA contract but if he isn't pitching well does it help him? If he's bad he has to know he'd have to settle for a non-roster invite next spring anyway. I guess it comes down to whether he thought his chances for next spring were better pitching badly or not at all. 

In any case he doesn't seem like much of a relief candidate.

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If I were Zimm I'd rather pitch this year than stay home, I think there is a better chance he could parlay his performance into a contract next year.

Not sure how much truth there actually is to the narrative that it takes hitters longer to catch up to pitching but assuming there is, with the lack of a real spring training hitters may be a little slower out of the gates.   And with the season already being shorter if he can sneak in a few quality starts early while hitters are still getting up to speed that could go a long way towards him finishing with relatively good numbers.   Also since the schedule is heavy with AL Central opponents the quality of his opponents shouldn't be that good.

Of course it could backfire and he could pitch like complete crap again this year which would all but kill any chance of him getting anything more than a ST invite next year but I think the same would be said if he skipped the year as well.  

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I assume Norris is working out and ready to go since he seems to have indicated he was w/o symptoms.

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

 

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brilliant--as a former little league/travel coach and parent, this is pretty apt.

 

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I played a fair amount of RF because I could run and had a pretty good arm.  The slow kid played LF.  Maybe my coach was wrong?

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4 minutes ago, Lei Pong said:

I played a fair amount of RF because I could run and had a pretty good arm.  The slow kid played LF.  Maybe my coach was wrong?

Yeah it sounds like your coach had it wrong.  In theory at a more advanced level that would fit but when you're talking little league or even high school level players hit way more balls to LF than right and they are hit with way more authority when they are hit that way so you need more speed to cut them off.   Having a strong arm from RF rarely factors in when playing at those levels.  

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10 minutes ago, Lei Pong said:

I played a fair amount of RF because I could run and had a pretty good arm.  The slow kid played LF.  Maybe my coach was wrong?

We always had the worst kid in RF because there were very few Left Handed hitters.  I was either LF or 2B.   I couldn't hit at all (only really see out of one eye, no depth perception) but I was a decent fielder and I had a good arm.  

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