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  1. 14 hours ago, socaltiger said:

    isnt Gardner the winning run ??What does Rod mean his run means nothing.

    Rod usually calls a good game.  Sometimes that game Rod is talking about might actually be the same exact game you and Rod Allen are watching live,...sometimes not.

    I chalk it up to carbon monoxide poisoning in the booth....

  2. I have to say that last nights game sort of restored my faith that perhaps one day, the Tigers will have both a good team and an awesome- shut down- closer again too.  The type of closer that says to the league "You are down by a run to the Tigers after 8 innings so, yea, your going to lose this game too".  I realize it is only one game so far, but it was magical what Justin Wilson did. 

    Tiger fans know the script, with a 1 run lead, Tiger closers like Jones, Valverde, Benoit, K-Rod, against the first batter MUST miss with the first two pitches so far out of the strikezone that no hitter would swing at it, then try and throw a batting practice get me over fastball for strike one, then follow up that up with some garbage pitch that would make the count 3-1.  And for me, after I changed the tv channels in frustration and came back to the Tiger game after a commercial break,  the Tiger closer would somehow now have two runners on and one out and falling behind the next hitter too.  I never got used to those kinds of games,....no matter how they ended.  To me it always felt like the Tigers ended up winning those kinds of games because the other teams hitters didn't deliver instead of the Tigers closer was that dominating.

    Last night, Wilson threw just 13 pitches to end the 9th by striking out the side. And of those 13 pitches, only 3 of those 13 pitches were balls.  None of the hitters got a wiff of anything down the heart of the plate.  All of those hitters looked like turkeys counting the days until Thanksgiving dinner. 

    I know it's way too soon to put Wilson in the hall of fame or give him and MVP trophy for the year.  I know anybody could have good game and Wilson will remind us that he is human again too someday.  But for one moment in one game, I got to see a glimpse of what the tiger's bullpen might be some day,....and I liked it.

  3. I sort of wonder if a DFA'ed Sanchez would accept a minor league assignment.  Let him pitch every 5 days at AAA and see if his "mechanics" get better.  Could be helpful during the late summer to have another decent starter available if Sanchez has anything left in the tank this year and just needs to throw a ball dependably every 5 days to get back to that.

    Or, maybe the Padres can turn their season around with Sanchez to help finish out their 2017 season instead....lol..

  4. 8 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

    You have to really separate the last 300 innings of his big league career from the rest because there has been a major difference.  Perhaps Brad needs to catch a bullpen session for JZ.  

    Look, there was a "major difference" in Justin Verlander  when you separate the 2013 and 2014 seasons with the rest of his career.  2014 Verlander pitched 206 inning and had a ERA of 4.54 trending up from his 2013 ERA of 3.46 in with 218 inning pitched.  I mean Verlander had a ERA for the 2015 spring training of 5.63 (probably against Buffalo level players too)- clearly the Tigers should have done something to stop Verlander from throwing a 3.38 ERA for the 2015 season and a 3.04 ERA for 2016 too... Maybe stick Verlander in the pen or given him away to another team and paid a large amount of his contract for another team to take him,....etc...

    I don't mean to be snarky about this (sorry by the way), but I think Zimmerman just wasn't healthy last year and he's working it out now.  He's got a good track record of success and knows how to pitch.  Will Zimmerman be a top 10 pitcher for 2017-  don't know.  But I am pretty sure the Tigers will give Zimmerman a lot of time and room to start the season to see what form he can return too. 

  5. Casimir, we are free to disagree and I think we just will when it comes to Zimmerman for this season. 

    I'm sure in 2013 Zimmerman was only blown up in spring training games by teams that started their top players and yet those same teams decided in 2014 Zimmerman needed a break and only started their rookie league players instead for spring training that year.  Regardless of who put what against Zimmerman, when the season started, he was still pretty good.

    Like it or not, Zimmerman is very likely to start for the Tigers and I don't think a ERA of 3.50 to just under 4.00 is unrealistic for the 2017 season.  There are a lot more things to worry about for the Tigers, Zimmerman to me is just not one of those things to worry about right now.  I think he will be fine....

  6. 30 minutes ago, Casimir said:

    A pedestrian line against Buffalo.

    Yea, it's too bad we don't have like 1,199 innings of major league pitching to determine how good Zimmerman can be.

    Or you know, look at Zimmerman's previous spring training's and regular season results....:

    Spring training                                  Regular season
    2015 3.80 ERA 23.2 innings,   / 3.66 ERA 201.2 innings
    2014 .050 ERA 18 innings       / 2.66 ERA 199.2 innings
    2013 5.38 ERA 28 innings       / 3.15 ERA 213 innings
    2012 3.38 ERA 26.2 innings    / 2.94 ERA 195.2 innings
    2011 3.91 ERA 23 innings       / 3.18 ERA 161.1 innings

    I'm sure every Washington fan thought Zimmerman would be garbage for 2013 after watching spring training too....

  7. I know the Tigers will not do it, but I was curious to think about the Tigers starting the season with a 6 man rotation.  Let Boyd and Sanchez be the 5th and 6th starter and see who's wheels fall off first during the season.  This way you don't burn Boyd's last option to send him to the minors to wait it out and see if Sanchez will turn back into a pumpkin through 4-5 starts as the 5th starter in a 5 man rotation to start the season.

    In theory, a 6 man rotation will save younger players like Boyd, Fulmer and Norris some innings for the 2017 season too.  But my hunch is that the Tigers will have a few nagging injuries to a pitcher or two so it might just be a 6 man rotation for a month or two before injuries make it a 5 man rotation again anyway.

  8. 1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

    Never heard of him before.  I can't find much about him on searches other than mentions of his work with the Yankees. Of course, these guys are required to be secretive, so we don't hear much about them unless they grew up on the internet.

    I found a picture of him if it helps....



  9. 23 hours ago, Yoda said:

    Dean Green is now going to play in Tokyo. Good for him as he had nowhere to go here. 

    Dean Green now knows Al Avila is serious about making changes.  I hope the Tokyo Swallows paid $30 million for Green too.....

  10. +1 Casimir, I agree, work Greene as a starter in spring training.

    I think the way you make the Tigers more comfortable in trying to trade Sanchez AND Pelfrey is to see that the Tigers have more secure starting depth in the 6th starter roll.  If Greene cannot hack it in ST as a starter- fine back to the pen with him and then the Tigers will likely rely on one of Sanchez or Pelfrey for the 6th starter roll if disaster happens in 2017.  Shane Greene isn't making anything close to big money right now and he certainly could help the Tigers if don't have to cover the 6th starter slot by spending a lot of Greene in 2017 or 2018 (sorry, I couldn't resist...).

  11. On Sanchez (and Pelfrey), I think the Tigers might be best going into spring training and see how both Sanchez and Pelfrey do as "starters".  I know this sounds goofy but if Boyd/Norris don't have a very good spring (and need a little time at AAA to work it out) or if one of Fulmer, Verlander or Zimmerman are injured in spring training, Sanchez/Pelfrey having a good spring training would give the Tigers another in house option just in case disaster struck.

    If no Tiger front 5 starters get hurt in spring (and they look fine) that would make Sanchez or Pelfrey expendable and especially if Sanchez or Pelfrey had a good spring too, that would not hurt their trade value either.  It seems to me that there is always one ballclub that features a key injury and is looking to replace a player just a week or two before the season starts and that might be a better time to unload Sanchez or Pelfrey than this off season...

  12. Just for fun, help me pick the Tigers 6th and 7th starting pitchers for 2017.  

    I know if your going to save $$$, you probably want Sanchez and Pelfrey gone (makes sense).  But here is the kicker, aside from Verlander, Zimmerman, Fulmer, Boyd, Norris, Sanchez and Pelfrey, in 2016 Greene and Farmer were the only other two Tigers to get a start and that went Greene with 3 starts (1 win, 2 loses, 13.1 innings, 10ER's) and Farmer with one start (5 innings, 4ER).

    Is anyone comfortable with mvoing Greene back as a starter or using Farmer, Weber, Saupold or maybe Crouse if one of the Tigers front 5 goes down?  .....OR,....do the Tigers keep one of Sanchez or Pelfrey for 2017....just in case?

  13. Just for fun, the 2015 Tigers

    By Season Half
    Split W L RS RA WP
    First Half 44 44 398 413 .500
    Second Half 30 43 291 390 .411

    2016 Tigers


    By Season Half
    Split W L RS RA WP
    First Half 46 43 426 427 .517
    Second Half 40 32 324 294 .556



  14. I thought I would share this, I was curious to see what happened with the Tigers for 2016 for the season.

    By Season Half
    Split W L RS RA WP
    First Half 46 43 426 427 .517
    Second Half 40 32 324 294 .556

    This is really interesting to me that the Tigers scored 102 more runs the first half (25% more runs) than they did the second half of the season.  How much did the Tigers really miss Castellanos (injured August 6th) and JD Martinez (June 16th).

    What is also interesting is that the Tigers allowed 32% fewer runs in the second half of the season than they did in the first half.

    Split W L RS RA WP
    Overall 86 75 750 721 .534
    Split W L RS RA WP
    Home 45 35 381 357 .563
    Road 41 40 369 364 .506
    Month by Month
    Split W L RS RA WP
    April 13 10 109 93 .565
    May 11 17 121 156 .393
    June 17 11 154 135 .607
    July 16 10 119 101 .615
    August 15 13 114 108 .536
    September 14 12 130 122 .538
    October 0 2 3 6 .000


    The Tigers had two losing months (May and October) but May was the killer when they went 11 and 17.

  15. 11 hours ago, ballmich said:

    I read the comment that I responded to as, 50 more starts from Fulmer, Norris and Boyd.  And Zimmermann pitching better.  Not 50 more from all four of those SP.  Maybe the comment I responded to could be read both ways I guess.

    I'm sorry if I misread your comment too.  It was not my intent.  And I agree with you that there will certainly need to be a 6th starter when one of the top 5 need 2-4 weeks to recover from from some strain or pull.

  16. 2 hours ago, ballmich said:

    Well, to nit pick but that would be 35-36 starts for each of Fulmer, Norris and Boyd which we know won't happen. Also, it's pretty rare that you get through a season without missing significant starts in the rotation.  It's one thing to say lets get full workloads from JV, Fulmer, Norris and Boyd and a better season from Zimmermann... but it's another all together to realize that.  2006 was probably the healthiest rotation we have had in recent memory, and even then we only had the four SP pitch a full season.  But clearly if we can get a good number more healthy starts from our top five SP in 2017 than 2016, we should benefit from that.

    Not to nit pick either, but.... 

    Verlander had 34 games started for the Tigers in 2016.

    Zimmerman 19 starts for the Tigers + 5  starts in the minors = 24 total games started

    Fulmer 29 starts majors +3 minors = 32 total games started

    Boyd 18 starts ML +11 in the minors = 29 total games started

    Norris 13 starts in Detroit, +17 in the minors = 30 games started

    Just these Tigers starters accounted for minor league games started totaled 36 games.

    The concept is for 2017 that Boyd, Norris, Fulmer and Zimmerman would be helping to take care of the 48 starts that went to Pelfrey and Sanchez instead.  With just the work load Boyd, Norris, Fulmer and Zimmerman had in 2016, they would have covered 36 of those 48 major league starts instead.  And if you add a healthy Zimmerman (I can dream right?) that might mean another 6-10 games started for 2017 instead of using Sanchez or Pelfrey??

    I also don't think asking Boyd, Norris, or Fulmer to start 30 games for the Tigers in 2017 at the major league level is that much of a stretch from where they were just last year....


  17. 1 hour ago, ballmich said:


    1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

    just by the numbers, fangraphs puts JV's win value at something pver $40 million - way more than his salary even as high as it is.

    Sounds like the Tigers should go out and make a trade to get this JV fella....

  18. Admittedly, even if MLB and the union says ok to the idea of a contract extension with differed money, Cabrera and Verlander are free to say "Thanks.....but NO" just as they can also decline a trade to another team using their 10 and 5 rights too... 

  19. Both Cabrera and Verlander have vesting clause.  Cabrera has a $30 million vesting option for 2024 and 2025 that vest IF he finishes in the top 10 in MVP voting for the previous year.  Verlander has a vesting clause for 2020 at $22M IF he finishes top 5 in Cy Young voting in 2019.

    IF Miggy fails to finish top 10 in MVP voting for 2024, his contract is up and he's out not only the $30M for 2024, but the $30M for 2025 also.  If Verlander fails to finish top 5 in Cy Young voting in 2019, so long his $22M 2020 option.

    IF the Tigers agree to a contract extension for 2020 for Verlander and 2024 and 2025 Miggy without the vesting clause and a extension for Miggy to get paid whether he finishes top 10 in MVP or not, I can think of 60 million reasons why Miggy might be ok with the accepting the contract extension in exchange for differed money.

  20. Just now, Shelton said:

    Cool. But that was a free agent deal.

    The JV and Cabrera deals are done.


    (Per the article cited below)

    Ryan Dempster, who approached front-office officials at the team’s winter convention in mid-January and offered to help. Dempster, a right-hander slated to earn $12.5 million for 2010, agreed to defer $3 million of his salary, with the Cubs paying him the money in three installments each February from 2011-13. With the restructuring of Dempster’s contract freeing up another $3 million on the Cubs’ 2010 books, Hendry was able to fill the fourth outfielder spot by signing Xavier Nady to a one-year, $3.3 million deal.

    Cincinnati’s Scott Rolen agreed to restructure his contract to help his team bring in more talent. When theReds added two years to Rolen’s existing deal last winter, the third baseman agreed to convert his $11 million salary for 2010 to a $6 million salary and a $5 million signing bonus paid over three years without interest. That allowed Reds GM Walt Jocketty to add shortstop Orlando Cabrera ($2.27 million), Cuban ace Aroldis Chapman ($1 million) and outfielderJonny Gomes ($800,000) to Cincinnati’s 2010 books.

    Colorado’s Todd Helton signed a reworked extension in March. His existing contract—the largest in National League history at $141 million—called for the first baseman to earn a nearly prohibitive $19.1 million in 2011 and a $4.6 million buyout in 2012. His new deal converts the buyout to a signing bonus, paid in 2011, and defers $13.1 million of his 2011 salary until 2014-23. The restructured extension frees up $8.5 million on the Rockies’ 2011 books and ensures Helton will play out his career in Colorado.


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