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Seider got loaned to his old team in Germany, Zadina got loaned to a team in the Czech league.  Makes sense to get them game time against adults.  I know one of their prospects is opting to stay in Europe vs. playing at Boston U so it'll be interesting.

Svechnikov got a one year deal from the Wings.  I was curious if Yzerman would move on since he has no ties to the pick.

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I think it is a low cost / low risk move.  The team is so terrible one can easily imagine a spot for him to contribute.  OTOH, if it doesn't happen soon, you just move on.

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Mike Green is going to retire, dealt with a lot of injuries and sickness so I'm not surprised.  His peak was super short but when he was on he was damn good.

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Zadina had 2 goals in the first period of his first game in Czech league, first goal here:

 

Second goal:

Looks like this could be good for his confidence....

 

Fabbri extended for two years:

 

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On 8/24/2020 at 5:36 PM, Buddha said:

seems like a good deal for fabbri.

thoughts?

I thought he was going to be a RFA still after this but I guess not?  I thought it was a home run for both sides, but still think it is a positive for the Wings in the end.  Basically bought out the rest of his arbitration at a seemingly fair price for a top six player (if he produces like that), and it sounded like they're going to try him at center too.

 

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I was surprised the Leafs were able to get a 1st from Pittsburgh for Kapanen. There were other pieces in the deal as well that I haven't really looked into, nor the cap ramifications.

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Pronman is doing a ranking of organizations based on all their skaters 22 years old or younger, whether in the NHL or not.  Wings dropped a couple spots from last offseason to 18th in the league.  His rankings for the Wings:

1. Mo Seider: 

Tier: High-end NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 70
Hockey Sense: 55

2. Filip Hronek:

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 60

3. Filip Zadina

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 45
Hockey Sense: 60
Shot: 60

4. Joe Veleno

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 55

5. 

Jared McIsaac

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 55
Hockey Sense: 60

6. Michael Rasmussen (Legit NHL player)

7. Dennis Cholowski (Legit NHL player)

8. Jonatan Berggren (Legit NHL player)

9. Elmer Soderblom (Legit NHL Player) - loving this pick from last draft

10. Robert Mastrosimone (Legit NHL Player)

11. Albert Johansson (Legit NHL Player) - I think he's a bit low

NHL Potential: Antti Tuomisto, Gustav Berglund, Seth Barton, Givani Smith, Gustav Lindstrom, Filip Larsson

 

Most of his write-ups seemed fair to me.  I think next true seasons for a lot of these players will tell a lot about their futures.  I know Johansson is playing well at the U20 Sweden camp now that he's not behind a bunch of high draft picks, Pronman says he's shined there.  Pronman also mentioned Soderblom is looking good and uses his 6 foot 6 body well.

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10 hours ago, drownwithyou said:

Pronman is doing a ranking of organizations based on all their skaters 22 years old or younger, whether in the NHL or not.  Wings dropped a couple spots from last offseason to 18th in the league.  His rankings for the Wings:

1. Mo Seider: 

Tier: High-end NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 70
Hockey Sense: 55

2. Filip Hronek:

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 60

3. Filip Zadina

Tier: High-end/very good bubble

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 45
Hockey Sense: 60
Shot: 60

4. Joe Veleno

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 50
Hockey Sense: 55

5. 

Jared McIsaac

Tier: Legit NHL player

Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 55
Physical Game: 55
Hockey Sense: 60

6. Michael Rasmussen (Legit NHL player)

7. Dennis Cholowski (Legit NHL player)

8. Jonatan Berggren (Legit NHL player)

9. Elmer Soderblom (Legit NHL Player) - loving this pick from last draft

10. Robert Mastrosimone (Legit NHL Player)

11. Albert Johansson (Legit NHL Player) - I think he's a bit low

NHL Potential: Antti Tuomisto, Gustav Berglund, Seth Barton, Givani Smith, Gustav Lindstrom, Filip Larsson

 

Most of his write-ups seemed fair to me.  I think next true seasons for a lot of these players will tell a lot about their futures.  I know Johansson is playing well at the U20 Sweden camp now that he's not behind a bunch of high draft picks, Pronman says he's shined there.  Pronman also mentioned Soderblom is looking good and uses his 6 foot 6 body well.

Fair, but 18th best for a team that has missed the playoffs 4 straight years is a bit depressing. 
 

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Three Game 7s coming up the next 48 hours. I wouldn’t have bet on any of them a few days ago. Back to back shutouts by backup Thatcher Demko get Canucks into a 3-3 series tie with Vegas. 
 

edit: not back to back shutouts. Demko gave up 1 goal in Game 5, 0 goals in Game 6

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11 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Fair, but 18th best for a team that has missed the playoffs 4 straight years is a bit depressing. 
 

I believe part of it is that he weighs these 22 year olds in the NHL much more (which is understandable) and only Hronek/Zadina are NHL guys at the top. And they certainly don't match up against the Matthews, McDavid, Hughes' (ugh this hurts), etc.  But still pretty depressing.

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I miss the excitement of Red Wing big game mornings. Vancouver abuzz. However, while bars are open, it won’t be unrestrained madness like it would be if no Covid. Canucks are seeking to make the conference finals for only the 4th time I’m their 50 year history. The Canucks’ top 7 playoff scorers are all 1st round post picks taken between 2011-2018. All but JT Miller were drafted by the Canucks. 

Avs-Stars Game 7 was a fun appetitiser. The series and game was up and down like a toilet seat. Avs scored with 4 minutes left in regulation to take a lead that lasted only 10 seconds. Then Dallas won in OT.  All hail Jim Nill !

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Nice to see Jim Nill in Dallas is outperforming Kenny in Edmonton. I always wanted them to move Kenny upstairs and Nill into the GM position. Good for Nill though.

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how long until tater calls for yzerman to be fired?  6 months?  a year?

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23 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Nice to see Jim Nill in Dallas is outperforming Kenny in Edmonton. I always wanted them to move Kenny upstairs and Nill into the GM position. Good for Nill though.

Vegas would have advanced if not for the injury to Nosek. Dumb move for the Wings to have gotten rid of Nosek, haven't been the same since.

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23 hours ago, Buddha said:

how long until tater calls for yzerman to be fired?  6 months?  a year?

I give GM's and coaches a 4-6 year window depending on the sport to turn a team around and start winning, unless it is just blatantly obvious from the get go that it isn't working (ala Matt Patricia). Sports where a rebuild takes longer (like the NHL) I'm willing to go a full 6 years. If we're sitting here in the 2025-2026 season and we're still a floundering franchise, we haven't made the playoffs, we underachieve with the talent we have or have no talent at all I'll call for him to get fired. Sentimentality means little to me. I know fans gets sentimental over former players they loved coming back to coach or be the GM and that have a hard time admitting when they've failed (Harbaugh is a classic example of this) and I felt some level of sentimentality towards Yzerman coming home. That said, I wouldn't want it to guide the entire future of this franchise.

After our back-to-back Stanley Cup appearances I gave Kenny from 2010-2014 before I ever called for him to get fired. But when he kept recycling players he feels comfortable with (Cleary, Bertuzzi, Samuelsson) at the expense of young talent, made repeated free agent signings out of desperation to continue a playoff streak, and when he refused to admit it was time for a rebuild after the 2014 season I turned on him. A troubling pattern of behavior with Kenny developed between 2010-2014, especially with his offseason moves and general philosophy on how to build a team, and it became clear he wasn't going to be the guy to get it done. It only got worse from there with Holland saying ridiculous things to justify the terrible moves he was making like "less can be more exciting", "if you expect cups you're in the wrong league", and the inaccurate "rebuilds take 8-10-15 years."

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As far as this offseason goes, I don't want Yzerman to make free agents signings that signal he's trying to win next year or get us competitive to the point that we can contend for a playoff spot. I still think, we are two years away from that point. Given the lack of high-level, superstar talent in our farm system, I feel we need another two years worth of top picks. It would be nice if one of both of those years we could land a top 3 pick in the draft.

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I give GM's and coaches a 4-6 year window depending on the sport to turn a team around and start winning, unless it is just blatantly obvious from the get go that it isn't working (ala Matt Patricia). Sports where a rebuild takes longer (like the NHL) I'm willing to go a full 6 years. If we're sitting here in the 2025-2026 season and we're still a floundering franchise, we haven't made the playoffs, we underachieve with the talent we have or have no talent at all I'll call for him to get fired. Sentimentality means little to me. I know fans gets sentimental over former players they loved coming back to coach or be the GM and that have a hard time admitting when they've failed (Harbaugh is a classic example of this) and I felt some level of sentimentality towards Yzerman coming home. That said, I wouldn't want it to guide the entire future of this franchise.

After our back-to-back Stanley Cup appearances I gave Kenny from 2010-2014 before I ever called for him to get fired. But when he kept recycling players he feels comfortable with (Cleary, Bertuzzi, Samuelsson) at the expense of young talent, made repeated free agent signings out of desperation to continue a playoff streak, and when he refused to admit it was time for a rebuild after the 2014 season I turned on him. A troubling pattern of behavior with Kenny developed between 2010-2014, especially with his offseason moves and general philosophy on how to build a team, and it became clear he wasn't going to be the guy to get it done. It only got worse from there with Holland saying ridiculous things to justify the terrible moves he was making like "less can be more exciting", "if you expect cups you're in the wrong league", and the inaccurate "rebuilds take 8-10-15 years."

Sure.

I give you a year.

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