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Incredibly sad situation playing out in Mid-Michigan... really hope the worst case scenario doesn't happen here.

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So yeah.... my hometown is being washed away. 2020 is pretty damn awesome.

My family still lives there, they're ok but they've evacuated - but only to my brother's place which is still in town but just not as close to the water.   My mom said several bridges have collapsed as well.    

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I don't know if there's anyone else from Sanford/Hope/Edenville on here, but I know there are some folks from Midland, I wish you all the best, that's all coming your way :(

 

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My aunt lives in Sanford and my grandfather is in an assisted living home there as well.   Probably wait until morning to reach out and check on them.

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12 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Wow.  I hope everyone is ok.

Likely illustrates the need to invest in infrastructure.

There's quite a sordid story about these dams in recent years.   If you follow this story you'll be hearing about Boyce Hydro pretty soon.....

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This is terrible to see.   Wishing the best to everyone from the area or with family still there.  

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I got to know that area of M-30 really well a number of years ago while working for MDOT on an internship.... spent a decent amount of time in Midland over the years as well.

Really weird when an area you know well ends up in the middle of a disaster story like this. 

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What a lot of folks prolly don't know..... there's a lil ditty in Midland, Michigan on the Titabawasee River that goes by the name Dow Chemical. I guess it's Dow Dupont now.   When I toured that place in high school, they said it was the biggest chemical plant in the world.

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1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

I got to know that area of M-30 really well a number of years ago while working for MDOT on an internship.... spent a decent amount of time in Midland over the years as well.

Really weird when an area you know well ends up in the middle of a disaster story like this. 

if you were up by Edenville I've heard that the bridges on M-30 are gone

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There's also a nuke plan they stopped building in the 70s.   Probably a good thing they stopped that.

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Just now, pfife said:

if you were up by Edenville I've heard that the bridges on M-30 are gone

I saw that as well... right up there by the marina.

Surreal 

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3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I saw that as well... right up there by the marina.

Surreal 

what years were you there?

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6 minutes ago, pfife said:

what years were you there?

I grew up in Mid-Michigan (over in the Thumb) so have always occasionally been in the area growing up, but in terms of the work on M-30, summer of 2009. I had a position with MDOT that took me all over the Bay Region, and about 2-3 weeks or so of the time was spent on all of M-30 in Gladwin and Midland Counties.

 

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14 minutes ago, pfife said:

There's also a nuke plan they stopped building in the 70s.   Probably a good thing they stopped that.

I worked with a guy who was an inspector during the attempted construction of that reactor plant. Epic stories of ineptitude. IIRC they did finally build a conventional generating station at the site though. In fact it was supposed to be fueled by wood waste for at least "x" years. Prolly nat gas by now?

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27 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I got to know that area of M-30 really well a number of years ago while working for MDOT on an internship.... spent a decent amount of time in Midland over the years as well.

Really weird when an area you know well ends up in the middle of a disaster story like this. 

it looks on the map like there is some room for the water before it gets to Midland but it also looks like there are single homes  along the river that  must be at huge risk. 

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

it looks on the map like there is some room for the water before it gets to Midland but it also looks like there are single homes  along the river that  must be at huge risk. 

I'd be equally as worried about Dow Chemical. At least a portion of the plant and ponds may be exposed.

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12 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I'd be equally as worried about Dow Chemical. At least a portion of the plant and ponds may be exposed.

With even a little warning they can secure most things. There were a couple of refineries in hit by Katrina that I visited not long after. There were some issues of course, but far less damage was done than you might expect. Though on the other hand, they may have had better contingency planning. You don't really expect floods in Midland!

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IDK man, maybe if it wasn't a pandemic but it seems like they're probably on a skeleton crew there presumably.

A lot of fb friends from hometown are showing screenshots of their phones going off around 12AM this mroning saying that the dam had failed.   So I would think Dow would have had at least that amoutn of time, if not more b/c they're Dow and need as much notice as possible

I suspect they're also very aware of the state of those dams prior to this as well so maybe did plan better than we would have thought.

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23 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

it looks on the map like there is some room for the water before it gets to Midland but it also looks like there are single homes  along the river that  must be at huge risk. 

I think my grandmother's house is probably underwater right now.  A good buddy grew up right near one of these dams and from other pictures I've seen, I think his house (his mom's house) is a goner.  HE does too.

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43 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I grew up in Mid-Michigan (over in the Thumb) so have always occasionally been in the area growing up, but in terms of the work on M-30, summer of 2009. I had a position with MDOT that took me all over the Bay Region, and about 2-3 weeks or so of the time was spent on all of M-30 in Gladwin and Midland Counties.

 

that was after I had moved south, I was wondering if it was a small world coincidence

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This will no doubt turn out to be just as stupid as the Flint water fiasco. This ain't the Colorado, these small dams are usually not that hard to maintain.

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