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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

TBH, If its NY/LA do you think TPTB will care if they got there playing 480 ball?

They'll be quick to downplay the regular season records.  They'll try to affix a caveat to the regular season while simultaneously try to not affix an asterisk to the whole season (regular & posteason).

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13 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Which is what they want.

2/3 of the teams or more with a reasonable chance at the play-offs to goose interest / attendance.

Correct.  I still hate it.  I think it's the worst thing they have done to the game since I have been a fan.  Maybe not though.  Killing the minor leagues might be worse.  

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11 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Correct.  I still hate it.  I think it's the worst thing they have done to the game since I have been a fan.  Maybe not though.  Killing the minor leagues might be worse.  

When there is less exposure to live professional baseball all over the country, baseball simply becomes just another show on TV, just another entertainment option. There’ll be nothing special about its visceral tangibility, it’s cross-generational “we’re going to a real game!“ elan vital that is one of those church-like experiences in smaller cities.

The idea that Ken Griffey Jr. among countless other players cruised through Boise, Idaho, or that if I had lived here at the time I could’ve seen Ricky Henderson in his first season of minor league ball at what was virtually a high school Pioneer League field is thrilling and makes baseball more than just another show. 

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Saint Paul Saints independent lg is starting with limited fans. The early games are being played in south dakota then eventually back here in St Paul. Not sure why it's in SD. 

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6 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

When there is less exposure to live professional baseball all over the country, baseball simply becomes just another show on TV, just another entertainment option. There’ll be nothing special about its visceral tangibility, it’s cross-generational “we’re going to a real game!“ elan vital that is one of those church-like experiences in smaller cities.

The idea that Ken Griffey Jr. among countless other players cruised through Boise, Idaho, or that if I had lived here at the time I could’ve seen Ricky Henderson in his first season of minor league ball at what was virtually a high school Pioneer League field is thrilling and makes baseball more than just another show. 

I have been to quite a few minor league parks and those fans appear have a different kind of connection to their teams.  There seems to be a higher percentage of knowledgeable fans at those games than at MLB games where you get a lot of fans who go just because it's the thing to do.  I can't back that up at all, just my impression.  And yes the idea of being able to remember seeing a future major leaguer play in a cheap low level park is appealing.  

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5 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I have been to quite a few minor league parks and those fans appear have a different kind of connection to their teams.  There seems to be a higher percentage of knowledgeable fans at those games than at MLB games where you get a lot of fans who go just because it's the thing to do.  I can't back that up at all, just my impression.  And yes the idea of being able to remember seeing a future major leaguer play in a cheap low level park is appealing.  

At minor league games you see people with scorecards. You see hard-core baseball fans. You see young kids who are really into baseball. I don’t go to too many games but there’s all sorts of people who seem to know each other because they’re there are a lot. But not this year. I doubt if the northwest league will play at all this year. 

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There is definitely a feel for community in the lower rungs of the minor league towns. We attended eight games in the Appalachian League last year. Most of the fans knew each other and would greet each other at first sight. Several folks we met had hosted players over the years. The staffs of these teams bend over backwards to accommodate the fans. For several of these towns the ball team is the only show in town during the summer evenings. The games are almost a social club of sorts for some of these folks as they love the camaraderie of what the ball park offers. Sadly, this league has probably played its last games. We met some very nice folks there last year. I really hate it for the towns that will no longer have a local team. It really is a shame.

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8 minutes ago, 1776 said:

There is definitely a feel for community in the lower rungs of the minor league towns. We attended eight games in the Appalachian League last year. Most of the fans knew each other and would greet each other at first sight. Several folks we met had hosted players over the years. The staffs of these teams bend over backwards to accommodate the fans. For several of these towns the ball team is the only show in town during the summer evenings. The games are almost a social club of sorts for some of these folks as they love the camaraderie of what the ball park offers. Sadly, this league has probably played its last games. We met some very nice folks there last year. I really hate it for the towns that will no longer have a local team. It really is a shame.

Yeah, it's a shame.  There is definitely a feeling of community in the low minors that I don't sense at higher levels including the majors

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On 4/26/2020 at 12:04 PM, Lei Pong said:

Whitecaps to AA?

I seriously doubt it.  One of the goals driving the change is to reduce travel at the minor league level. If you look at where most of the AA teams are located,  I believe there is where you'll see a new location.  I think Erie was kind of "out of the nucleus" for what they have in mind. That may have factored in their selection for elimination

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I don’t see how Erie was any more out of nucleus as Portland or Richmond in the Eastern League. Binghamton is the other EL team on the cut list. I’m led to believe the facility itself has a lot to do with it. That’s why I don’t understand Erie being on the list. I know they’re spending a lot of money on the park. I really hope the MiLB future is decided soon. 

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Saint Paul loves the Saints. Maybe even more than thr Twins

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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29795127/why-mlb-minor-leagues-know-end-sept-30

MiLB never had a chance pre-Covid; now they have to accept whatever Manfred tells them.

One plan I saw has Wilmington DE replacing Erie at AA. Not sure how that helps the Tigers at all.

And I am still not clear if you are allowed to have teams at your DR complex. Tigers fielded 2.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

One plan I saw has Wilmington DE replacing Erie at AA. Not sure how that helps the Tigers at all.

It doesn't really help or hurt them. It just condenses the league. 

And again too many people are just thinking like we bump up an affilate or the leagues are staying the same. 

Eastern League Map | Teams | Logos - Sport League Maps

 

That is the current eastern league map, by getting rid of erie it reduces a lot of travel. Other teams wil move up that are in that same easten footprint or the Tigers will join a different AA league. And minor league affiliates often change frequently. We've been the outlier with the same ones for 20 or so years now. People need to stop thinking of this plug an play for the lost affiliates. The whole system is changing. **** a league itself might move from AA to A+ or some crazy stuff like that. 

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9 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Eastern League Map | Teams | Logos - Sport League Maps

That league would be epic if it had some Sea Unicorns in it.

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1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29795127/why-mlb-minor-leagues-know-end-sept-30

MiLB never had a chance pre-Covid; now they have to accept whatever Manfred tells them.

One plan I saw has Wilmington DE replacing Erie at AA. Not sure how that helps the Tigers at all.

And I am still not clear if you are allowed to have teams at your DR complex. Tigers fielded 2.

 

 

It's like Clear Channel media being $18 billion in debt and firing all the overnight and weekend DJs thinking that would solve it. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I think West Michigan should just become the AA team.   Makes way more sense. 

It doesn't at all. Who are they going to play? 

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adding Wilmington in the middle makes sense; but IMO the choice of eliminating Erie does not

45 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

 

Eastern League Map | Teams | Logos - Sport League Maps

 

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38 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

adding Wilmington in the middle makes sense; but IMO the choice of eliminating Erie does not

 

You ever driven to Erie from those places? there is no direct shots, its the outlier. The rest are up and down the I-95 cooridor

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

You ever driven to Erie from those places? there is no direct shots, its the outlier. The rest are up and down the I-95 cooridor

ok then

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The only thing that makes sense is the Tigers having a team in Lowell, MA.    

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2 hours ago, leflore said:

Is that near Ada?

It is near me.  They have sold out almost every game for years and now they are losing their NY Penn League team.  Rumor has it that they are going to still have a team in a different league, so I am hoping it's the Eastern League with the Tigers, although I know it's a long short.  I actually haven't been going to too many of their games because they have overdone the music and entertainment to the point of absurdity, but if the Tigers are playing there I would deal with it.  

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2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

It is near me.  They have sold out almost every game for years and now they are losing their NY Penn League team.  Rumor has it that they are going to still have a team in a different league, so I am hoping it's the Eastern League with the Tigers, although I know it's a long short.  I actually haven't been going to too many of their games because they have overdone the music and entertainment to the point of absurdity, but if the Tigers are playing there I would deal with it.  

Ah, thought perhaps you were poking fun at Lowell, MI. I think I was conceived on the Thornapple River.

Fun fact about that area - Mickey Stanley used to have a house there (maybe he still does) and I once played cards with him on his porch as a lad.

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Wilmington, DE would make sense moving to the Eastern League. Currently Wilmington is the outlier in the Carolina League. Potomac, MD’s franchise moved to Fredericksburg, VA after last season. This move puts Wilmington even further out of the core of the Carolina League footprint. The initial elimination list identified Frederick, MD as the only team in the CL to go. Things are in flux as the article points out so I don’t know where things stand now with them. 

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