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03/04/2020 7:00 EST Oklahoma City Thunder vs Detroit Pistons

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03/04/2020 7:00 EST from Detroit, Michigan

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Oklahoma City Thunder (37-23) vs Detroit Pistons (20-42)

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The Thunder play host to the Clippers on 03/03, so I think there's a chance that Detroit might sneak a win out here.

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19 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Time to shut him down for the season.

I would anticipate that happening. Great news for the tank. 

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I'm still baffled that they refused to trade him at the deadline. His value was never going to be higher than it was then.

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if the pistons were really requesting lottery picks for rose, then its pretty obvious why he wasnt traded.  but we dont really know.

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

What were people offering for Rose?

I don't know but it was reported that the Pistons had little interest in dealing him for some odd reason, hence the outrageous price they put on him.

The Pistons have a way of squeezing the least out of their assets. Monroe, Drummond, KCP, Middleton, Dinwiddie etc. Got virtually nothing for all these guys combined. The most value they fit for their assets was an anchor contract in Blake that they are stuck with for another 2 years. I'm sure they could have squeezed a late 1st for Rose, there was rumoured interest in him.

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Actually, there was a report the Pistons offered Rose to LA for Caruso and a late 2nd.  Definitely not close to 1st round value.

 

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WTF are you doing Boston?  

They were outscored 51-34 in the 4th quarter and let the Nets take the game to OT.

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OK just turned it on.  Celtics are basically without their starting 5, but still.

Lavert has 51.  I know Crawford has had a 50 point game.  Any other former Michigan players?

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17 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

OK just turned it on.  Celtics are basically without their starting 5, but still.

Lavert has 51.  I know Crawford has had a 50 point game.  Any other former Michigan players?

Glen Rice 56

Jamal Crawford 52 (and 50 a couple of times; 51 last year)

Chris Webber 51

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8 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Actually, there was a report the Pistons offered Rose to LA for Caruso and a late 2nd.  Definitely not close to 1st round value.

 

OMG, Caruso?!?

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12 hours ago, NYLion said:

The Pistons have a way of squeezing the least out of their assets. Monroe, Drummond, KCP, Middleton, Dinwiddie etc. Got virtually nothing for all these guys combined. The most value they fit for their assets was an anchor contract in Blake that they are stuck with for another 2 years. I'm sure they could have squeezed a late 1st for Rose, there was rumoured interest in him.

The Middleton deal sure looks bad in hindsight.  But he was dealt for Jennings, who was to be the point guard of the future.  Jennings was somewhat established, Middleton was a 2nd round pick just coming off of a nondescript rookie season.  Just based on where he was drafted, I would think a lot of teams are surprised at how he has turned out.  Back to Jennings, if he remains healthy, how do things turn out?

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There just wasn't a market for Rose.  The guy is just too injury prone and contending teams are not going to take that risk.  They have so much money wrapped up in two or three players, they have to maximize what is left and they can't risk it on a guy who can't stay healthy.  On top of that, some contenders are tax paying teams.  Meaning that $7M Rose contract is really costing them $17M or more depending on what level tax they are paying.  If you're a repeat tax payer, he would cost you $25M per year.  

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

The Middleton deal sure looks bad in hindsight.  But he was dealt for Jennings, who was to be the point guard of the future.  Jennings was somewhat established, Middleton was a 2nd round pick just coming off of a nondescript rookie season.  Just based on where he was drafted, I would think a lot of teams are surprised at how he has turned out.  Back to Jennings, if he remains healthy, how do things turn out?

Yeah, none of us had any idea about what Middleton would become or Dinwiddie for that matter (although I said at the time that it was stupid to give up on Dinwiddie so soon). What I meant was that the Pistons organization has had a habit of poor asset management in terms of getting minimal value and poor talent evaluation.

I can't imagine that Rose's value will be any higher than it was at that moment right before the deadline when he was healthy and playing at a high level. Maybe he'll have some value as an expiring but will he be healthy enough to be tradeable?

 

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It's not the amount of value that I'm arguing, none of us know what the market for him was, it was that whatever value he had will likely never be higher than it was at the deadline. Maybe they felt his value to the team going into next year superseded the value of any draft pick or prospect they were offered at the deadline.

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I don't buy the premise it won't be higher.  It probably won't be higher, but if he performs similarly next year, his value would probably be higher at the deadline because he will be an expiring.

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That's the thing, the chances of him performing similarly next season and staying healthy more importantly is minimal based on his history. That's why I thought they should get some value for him before he depreciated.

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Reports were that the Pistons were looking for a lottery pick.  They should have taken anything they could get, just to stockpile picks and further the tanking.  What good does a veteran like Rose do you right now?

But, I've also heard that Rose can choose to veto any trade as part of his contract, so maybe it was his choice not to go and the franchise just isn't saying that in the media...?

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33 minutes ago, NYLion said:

That's the thing, the chances of him performing similarly next season and staying healthy more importantly is minimal based on his history. That's why I thought they should get some value for him before he depreciated.

I don't disagree but if nobody wants to take on his contract, then they don't.

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its not just that people know rose is injury prone, but that he's not a winning player.  rose gets for rose.  rose doesnt play defense.  

rose sat out a year and a half instead of playing for a title contender.  rose left his team and went awol in the middle of the season.

sure, he's come back now to be a good one on one offensive player in low stress environments on bad teams in minnesota and detroit.  does a contender want to take a chance that derrick isnt going to just quit or implode or be "injured" when the pressure gets turned up a bit?

rose is on a cheap contract for a reason.  people know who he is.

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1 hour ago, Betrayer said:

Reports were that the Pistons were looking for a lottery pick.  They should have taken anything they could get, just to stockpile picks and further the tanking.  What good does a veteran like Rose do you right now?

But, I've also heard that Rose can choose to veto any trade as part of his contract, so maybe it was his choice not to go and the franchise just isn't saying that in the media...?

They might have a gentlemans agreement to run a trade past him first.  But to have a negotiated no-trade clause in a players contract, they must have played for that team for 4+ seasons.  So Rose wasn't eligible to get one from Detroit.

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