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7 hours ago, Oblong said:

This is the downside to not having a national health care system.  The UK expects to have their entire population vaccinated by the end of March.  We'll probably not even hit 25% by then.

I'm not sure that's going to happen mind you.

We have just authorised the Oxford vaccine, which seems to be easier to make and transport iirc. But I don't think we have enough doses for a double dose of it for everyone.

Bear in mind that if it's a UK government source, I'd read it with almost as much caution as you do anything coming out of the White House.

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Just saw a hospital employee in Wisconsin INTENTIONALLY removed 500 doses of the vaccine from refrigeration and it spoiled. 

Another conspiracy theorist doing damage like the ******* in Nashville.  

If you don't want the vaccine, then don't take it -- don't take it away from others.     

Employee has been fired.   They should be charged with a crime.    What a horrible human being.  

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Charles Liston said:

He probably took a private jet and billed the province.

Oh, he's certainly moved ahead in the queue for a "random" financial audit.

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12 hours ago, Oblong said:

I certainly have more hope on things come January 21. And I hope that the holidays and launch slowed things down a bit before they get ramped up.  But going for the targeted groups also seems like the easy part.  You get selected. After that then what?  Ok I can see Kroger and Costco and Sam’s Club and Walmart getting their millions of doses for their people.  Maybe they do it internally?  My company does that for the flu shot. But for the general public now will they determine the health issues etc.  Does the validation for asthma for example slow it down? Or will they not even go that route?  Just get through essenstials then it’s for everyone?  

I would imagine the initial roll out has some bumps in the road the get smoothed over with experience.  They can probably follow the model of the annual flu shot process, but that's a one shot deal (which is one variable).  Then you've got the storage issues with the COVID vaccine (which is another issue).  The phasing of who gets it when is another variable.  Maybe it shouldn't be too difficult to implement changes to a current model for these variables, I don't know.

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2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Just saw a hospital employee in Wisconsin INTENTIONALLY removed 500 doses of the vaccine from refrigeration and it spoiled. 

Another conspiracy theorist doing damage like the ******* in Nashville.  

If you don't want the vaccine, then don't take it -- don't take it away from others.     

Employee has been fired.   They should be charged with a crime.    What a horrible human being.  

They will be.... I want the hospital to ID those that were expected to get those doses as well.  If any of them get Covid prior to getting the vaccine, then contact trace them to identify others it spread too.  If anyone dies, then murder charges.

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7 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

They will be.... I want the hospital to ID those that were expected to get those doses as well.  If any of them get Covid prior to getting the vaccine, then contact trace them to identify others it spread too.  If anyone dies, then murder charges.

Sounds good to me. 

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

I would imagine the initial roll out has some bumps in the road the get smoothed over with experience.  They can probably follow the model of the annual flu shot process, but that's a one shot deal (which is one variable).  Then you've got the storage issues with the COVID vaccine (which is another issue).  The phasing of who gets it when is another variable.  Maybe it shouldn't be too difficult to implement changes to a current model for these variables, I don't know.

Shingles vaccination is two shots about three weeks apart. I’m not sure how it is now, but as close as a year ago there were issues in getting the vaccine (or at least a reasonably priced version). We were able to get it thru CVS, appointments were not difficult.

I’m hoping that after the initial groups receive it their doses, the system will settle down to something similar. 

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17 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Shingles vaccination is two shots about three weeks apart. I’m not sure how it is now, but as close as a year ago there were issues in getting the vaccine (or at least a reasonably priced version). We were able to get it thru CVS, appointments were not difficult.

I’m hoping that after the initial groups receive it their doses, the system will settle down to something similar. 

I didn't even know there was a shingles vaccination.  My mom is convinced I had chickenpox three times, first time after coming down with it along with all the neighborhood kids, but then two more times where I saw a doctor as she didn't think you could get it again.  Always wondered if that makes me more susceptible to shingles. 

With mRNA, I wonder if we're just entering a 'revolution' if you will, on advancements in vaccines....of course at a time where many in the general population are starting to doubt them...ugh.

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 I want the Vaccine. But looks like I’m in group one C, and I have no clue as to when someone in that group will be getting a vaccine in New Jersey. Not feeling optimistic, .... and, truthfully,  getting more anxiety ridden every day.

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2 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

Shingles vaccination is two shots about three weeks apart. I’m not sure how it is now, but as close as a year ago there were issues in getting the vaccine (or at least a reasonably priced version). We were able to get it thru CVS, appointments were not difficult.

I’m hoping that after the initial groups receive it their doses, the system will settle down to something similar. 

I’ve been told a general time frame for mine through work, but I’m going to take a wait and see approach to it.

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2 hours ago, smr-nj said:

 I want the Vaccine. But looks like I’m in group one C, and I have no clue as to when someone in that group will be getting a vaccine in New Jersey. Not feeling optimistic, .... and, truthfully,  getting more anxiety ridden every day.

My husband and mom are both 1B.  We've already registered them online with the county and been approved, so now just the wait for the email that their doses are in and where/when to go.   Having them protected will give me a whole lot of comfort.  

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An addendum re my mom and husband:  I have worked my butt off to keep them safe.  But I can't control every circumstance.  Just yesterday, for example, my husband took himself to a routine appointment to have blood drawn.   He is very cautious and perfectly capable.  The lab manages things in a safe way.   BUT ... as he was leaving to get into his car, a lady came out of another business next door and decided that he needed her assistance to get to his vehicle.  He politely declined, but she grabbed his arm on the paralyzed side to "help," which actually makes him less safe to walk.  Then proceeded to "help" him into his truck and reached across him to fasten his seatbelt.  She wouldn't listen to him that he was okay and didn't need assistance.  Nice lady but doing the WRONG THING. She and he were both masked, but now we have to worry about her prior exposures esp. during the holiday.    Frustrating.  Frightening.    

My God!  My kids all got Covid tests the week of Christmas so that they could come be with us safely.  And now we have to worry about exposure from a random person in a parking lot while leaving a medical appointment?

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Ugh. Prayers it all works out. 
 

my wife had been working with a patient for a while and she overhears the need for a swab. Yea. Patient tested positive. Had been in the hospital for almost a month and was negative several times after admittance so she got it there. Then she finds out two co workers haven’t been coming in.  Bosses won’t say whether they are positive... maybe they aren’t allowed to say why. You’d think there’s an exception during covid. So they are a little on edge.   Pretty much everyone there now has their first dose but January will be a long month. 

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https://www.romney.senate.gov/romney-urgent-action-needed-vaccination-plan
 

Romney with some ideas. I fear this is going to be a huge clusterbleep. Going after healthcare workers and residents in facilities is easy. We know The Who and the where.  But once you open it to the “outside” how do you validate things like “medical conditions”?   What is a medical condition?  High blood pressure?  Diabetes?  Asthma?  Do you need some kind of note from your doctor?  Like they have time to process all those requests?   Not everyone has a doctor. What is “obese”?  Will we need to get on a scale?   I’m really worried that the logistics of this is going to slow it down tremendously. 

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35 minutes ago, Oblong said:

https://www.romney.senate.gov/romney-urgent-action-needed-vaccination-plan
 

Romney with some ideas. I fear this is going to be a huge clusterbleep. Going after healthcare workers and residents in facilities is easy. We know The Who and the where.  But once you open it to the “outside” how do you validate things like “medical conditions”?   What is a medical condition?  High blood pressure?  Diabetes?  Asthma?  Do you need some kind of note from your doctor?  Like they have time to process all those requests?   Not everyone has a doctor. What is “obese”?  Will we need to get on a scale?   I’m really worried that the logistics of this is going to slow it down tremendously. 

I don't think we should over worry that everyone gets vaccinated in strict sequence. I'd go for relatively soft recommendations. Hard rules will be a recipe for a bureaucratic (and possibly legal)  mess. From a public health perspective you get the same level of herd immunity regardless of whether you are vaccinating higher or lower risk individuals. If some people are worried enough to cheat into the line before their time - fine - vaccinate them anyway. There are probably going to be enough people who hang back or refuse so that high risk individuals can get served anyway. 

I say KISS. It's more important that every dose that is manufactured is distributed in a timely manner because the faster you stop the spread the faster you cut everyone's risk regardless of their individual risk profile.

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20 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I don't think we should over worry that everyone gets vaccinated in strict sequence. I'd go for relatively soft recommendations. Hard rules will be a recipe for a bureaucratic (and possibly legal)  mess. From a public health perspective you get the same level of herd immunity regardless of whether you are vaccinating higher or lower risk individuals. If some people are worried enough to cheat into the line before their time - fine - vaccinate them anyway. There are probably going to be enough people who hang back or refuse so that high risk individuals can get served anyway. 

I say KISS. It's more important that every dose that is manufactured is distributed in a timely manner because the faster you stop the spread the faster you cut everyone's risk regardless of their individual risk profile.

Probably true, yes.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I don't think we should over worry that everyone gets vaccinated in strict sequence. I'd go for relatively soft recommendations. Hard rules will be a recipe for a bureaucratic (and possibly legal)  mess. From a public health perspective you get the same level of herd immunity regardless of whether you are vaccinating higher or lower risk individuals. If some people are worried enough to cheat into the line before their time - fine - vaccinate them anyway. There are probably going to be enough people who hang back or refuse so that high risk individuals can get served anyway. 

I say KISS. It's more important that every dose that is manufactured is distributed in a timely manner because the faster you stop the spread the faster you cut everyone's risk regardless of their individual risk profile.

I agree.  I worry the states will be so concerned with the “fairness” that it will slow it all down.  The more checks and validation we put in place the slower. Those people they are worried about might get it quicker in a free for all.  We don’t have to “qualify” for the flu shot. That is why they can do 100M in a few months. (And the single dose and storage issues too).   And these refusers will mean more potential for waste. The two shot also complicates things because if you find yourself with extra you can’t just give it out to whoever because you need to make sure there is something for them for shot 2.  If they got it “on the sly” will that happen again?

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On 12/30/2020 at 9:29 PM, Yoda said:

I know. I wasn't arguing that point. Just a pet peeve of mine when people use the "we were taking the necessary precautions" cliche.

I simply don't know how I could have gotten COVID. I took all the necessary precautions: I never went outside except to walk my dog around the yard and even then I wore a mask; I get all my groceries delivered touchlessly and I wash down each individual item; I make sure the escort service sends the same girl over each time; I worship Jesus on TV instead of going to an actual church; and I disinfect all the surface areas in the house three times a day. I just don't know how I could still get COVID even while taking all the necessary precautions.

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I don’t know how she got pregnant.  We used condoms. 

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On 12/31/2020 at 1:15 PM, ewsieg said:

I didn't even know there was a shingles vaccination.  My mom is convinced I had chickenpox three times, first time after coming down with it along with all the neighborhood kids, but then two more times where I saw a doctor as she didn't think you could get it again.  Always wondered if that makes me more susceptible to shingles. 

With mRNA, I wonder if we're just entering a 'revolution' if you will, on advancements in vaccines....of course at a time where many in the general population are starting to doubt them...ugh.

Shingrex, I believe is what's it's called. It's actually the 2nd vaccine for shingles. It's supposed to be more effective. I got both shots and the only thing I can say about it is that the 2nd shot laid me out for 2 days. Better than getting shingles, I'm told. But that's what has me a bit worried about the covid vaccine. And if it's 95% effective, that means it's 5% ineffective. My luck? I'll fall into that 5 percent. 🥴🥴

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Another thing is in 2 weeks those who got their first shot will need the 2nd. That could also be why so many haven’t been distributed yet. They want to make sure supply is consistent. Even if it is then we reach a point where  for each batch only half is going to new people. The other half is for those who got it 3 weeks ago.  Are the administrators going to sit on a 3 week supply in case of shortages and at least they can complete those who got the first. 

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A whole generation of lawyers will feed off the lawsuits that get filed about the distribution of the vaccine.

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I saw two billboards on my recent drive back from Michigan to VA.  One in Michigan, many of you would know is the "crona is real" one.  That sort of reassured me that Michigan had at least some semblance of an outreach effort to the average fool.  Then in OH and in PA I saw something to the effect that "Vaccine companies are protected from liability" which is supposed to make you draw your own ominous conclusions. 

Who the bleep let them put up that billboard?   Why not tell everyone to take heroin?

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