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1 hour ago, tigerbomb13 said:

Why oh why did we have to have the worst pandemic in a century while having the worst leadership the country has ever had?

Because it’s 2020.  Duh!

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10 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

That was kind of what I was estimating. I’m 68, judging by the estimates in the recently linked NYT I’m about 1/4 way thru the line. Ours is just a bit more complicated  (I guess) by having recently moved. That combined with having to change providers and the toil of navigating the whole Medicare process.

But then out flu and shingles vaccines were available at CVS....

The  reaction i had to the 2nd shingles shot has me a bit nervous. Pretty sick for 2 days.

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3 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

I am and mainly because my wife is.  My {"HATE Trump"/scared s###less of COVID/NP for 10 years} wife is a little nervous so it makes me nervous.

We will both get it, eventually, but not right when it comes out.  We will continue to wear masks, wash our hands like crazy and be super cautious, but will wait a little on the vaccine.  Warranted or not...it is what it is.  Vaccines (and I KNOW it was warp speed) usually take a few years to make sure there are no bad side effects.

And before they give it to front liners and old people give it to those darn kids who do not care because they never get sick from it...they are spreading it like wild fire.

First responders, nurses and doctors first. Sure, if it kills people after a few months, let's kill all them first. And yes, that's the negative way my mind works. It's from being a Lions fan for 50+ years.

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2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

By the way,  we will still need the vaccine in 18 months.  COVID is never going to go away - it will always be around like polio or measles or the flu..........it just matters how we deal with it.  


this is an area that needs all the research they can spare from the vaccine effort. It would be good to know if reinfections bring on the same disease or if they end up being minor episodes. If you maintain T cell reactivity for a the long term even after your antibody titer falls, then re-exposure might lead to re-infection but with an outcome that might be more on the lines of a cold than the kind of disease outcomes we are seeing on 1st exposure. A really important question to get a handle on exactly so we can understand what long term vaccine needs will be.

 

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54 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

The  reaction i had to the 2nd shingles shot has me a bit nervous. Pretty sick for 2 days.

The local NPR station did an interview this afternoon with someone who was a participant in one of the tests. He is also head of one of the nurses unions. The one side effect that he mentioned was extreme fatigue after the second shot. He went to bed and slept for several hours, otherwise no other problems. 
 

I guess some of the first recipients in Great Britain had some sort allergic reactions. I guess the bottom line is to check with your physician 

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And those in Britain were sensitive to allergic reactions already and used their epipens, which they always carried. So that’s not something I would worry about.   Heck... if you say “take the shot and go take a nap”.... who over the age of 40 won’t accept that?  

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5 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

I am and mainly because my wife is.  My {"HATE Trump"/scared s###less of COVID/NP for 10 years} wife is a little nervous so it makes me nervous.

We will both get it, eventually, but not right when it comes out.  We will continue to wear masks, wash our hands like crazy and be super cautious, but will wait a little on the vaccine.  Warranted or not...it is what it is.  Vaccines (and I KNOW it was warp speed) usually take a few years to make sure there are no bad side effects.

And before they give it to front liners and old people give it to those darn kids who do not care because they never get sick from it...they are spreading it like wild fire.

Lol at you acting like you're choosing to wait

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8 minutes ago, pfife said:

Lol at you acting like you're choosing to wait

Yeah,  I doubt you even get the chance to use it by the end of 2021.   If you are generally healthy and not over 65.   

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Hard to say.  I read an article earlier today that cited a poll where 40% of respondents indicated that they will not be seeking the vaccine.  Now, I am a cautious one about new vaccines, especially those which are communicable but not contagious.  But this is for a highly contagious disease.  Weighing risk vs. benefit, it makes sense to be vaccinated.

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6 hours ago, Oblong said:

Always knock on wood but the numbers in MI are going the right direction... 4905 cases today.  7 day AVG at 6000, lowest since 2nd week of November.  I also have been tracking 7 day rolling totals, we're at 42000 for that, lowest since that same 2nd week in Nov.  We peaked at almost 51,000 the week of Thanksgiving.

 

yes - MI seem to have peaked, but not the rest of the country. Seven day running new case average at 213K and still climbing.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yes - MI seem to have peaked, but not the rest of the country. Seven day running new case average at 213K and still climbing.

I have a site that now shows a historical map.  In March and April it was NY and MI dark brown (the bad color) along with LOuisiana.  Then beginning of summer things got hot in FL and AZ.  Then late summer is when we saw the stuff in the upper Midwest, dakotas,  Wyoming, Wisconsin and it just spread from there to where almost the entire country is dark Brown. 
 

hard to imagine but on my spreadsheet there’s daily case counts in MI from Jun and July under 200.  My city alone has had numbers that high in a day. That’s how far we have come.  

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20 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I have a site that now shows a historical map.  In March and April it was NY and MI dark brown (the bad color) along with LOuisiana.  Then beginning of summer things got hot in FL and AZ.  Then late summer is when we saw the stuff in the upper Midwest, dakotas,  Wyoming, Wisconsin and it just spread from there to where almost the entire country is dark Brown. 
 

hard to imagine but on my spreadsheet there’s daily case counts in MI from Jun and July under 200.  My city alone has had numbers that high in a day. That’s how far we have come.  

it's because we pay all of our attention to the peaks of the outbreaks and not the valleys. It's how far down you push it when you have it down that that sets the stage for how bad it gets on the next wave.

But the country has taken collective leave of its senses. I swear that at the height of the social tensions over Vietnam and Civil rights in the 60's, if as a nation we had been asked by JFK or LBJ to simply use a frickin' face mask as a measure to help keep you neighbors alive,  we all, left, right, commie, John Bircher, would have done it 100%. How we got to a point where adult human beings can stand up in city council meetings and state and even Federal legislatures all over this land and be so totally full of **** regarding fact vs fantasy, clinging with every fiber of their psychology energy to complete fallacy - to the point of denying the deaths of their own neighbors in front of them every day, is the stuff of an epic tragedy for this nation that is quite literally unmatched since the Civil War.

Covid is going to kill more Americans than WWII, and every single damn one of those deaths since June has been totally and completely unnecessary.

 

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Interesting discussion based on the data that was released.... would it be better to go with the one shot now to get it to twice as many people and then as supply ramps up throughout 2021 focus on the two shot solution?  If the conditions in the nation weren't so perilous I could see getting it right in the initial rollout but we're not in a good position so anything to increase prevention right now is the goal.  Obviously it's just me saying this and I am not an expert but I strongly consider that.  If one shot is over 50% then I can see the benefit in doing that.  Could save a lot of lives this winter and spring.

 

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On 12/7/2020 at 2:39 PM, tigerbomb13 said:

My dad just got a call from my aunt in New Mexico. My grandma that’s in a nursing home there has tested positive for COVID. She’s I believe 92-93, and has been in poor health for some time. She’s had dementia for years. 

After initially being asymptomatic, my grandmother’s health has taken a turn for the worse. 

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54 minutes ago, tigerbomb13 said:

After initially being asymptomatic, my grandmother’s health has taken a turn for the worse. 

I am so sorry to hear this.  

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59 minutes ago, tigerbomb13 said:

After initially being asymptomatic, my grandmother’s health has taken a turn for the worse. 

Dude, I'm hoping for the best.   Sorry to hear.

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Thanks all. She’s in her 90s and has had dementia for years. She seemed like she was just going to last forever, but at this point I just want her to not suffer. 

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55 minutes ago, tigerbomb13 said:

Thanks all. She’s in her 90s and has had dementia for years. She seemed like she was just going to last forever, but at this point I just want her to not suffer. 

Yes, it would be nice if she could stay around but, if not, a peaceful exit is what everyone would want.

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Virginia’s Governor has just issued a stay at home order between midnight and 5AM except for work purposes. A bit tame considering, but I expect Republicans will all be crying about lost rights.

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The order also limits the size of gatherings to 10 people. 
 

There is already an order closing bars at 10Pm, I’m not exactly sure what the overnight stay at home order hopes to accomplish. We’re usually asleep by then anyway

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2 hours ago, tigerbomb13 said:

Thanks all. She’s in her 90s and has had dementia for years. She seemed like she was just going to last forever, but at this point I just want her to not suffer. 

Hey, 92 is a darn good run. You were blessed to have her that long. Mazel tov, and fingers crossed for a peaceful exit for her.

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