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The UK has approved Pfizer's vaccine and shots begin next week. 

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6 hours ago, Blue Square Thing said:

We seem to have approved a vaccine - the Pfizer one I think - with the expectation that people will start to get it before Xmas. Not quite sure how that'll work, but I know teachers aren't on the priority list (which is daft in my view, but there you go). We'll get it as over-50s in about priority band 8 I think - so some time in the new year, maybe before Easter.

Quite whether the bunch of incompetent cockwombles in charge of the track and track system can ever get their act together is another matter.

Do Cabinet Ministers (and their families) show up in any preferred category?

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47 minutes ago, Yoda said:

It's like everything else. It's real. Very real. But media for sure overhypes some aspects of it, and the other side overcompensates by pretending it doesn't exist. It's somewhere in the middle. There are also people who think the earth is flat. 

I wonder if in the end (say 10-20 yrs), this doesn't turn into just another circulating cold virus that people catch the first time as children when their risk is so low it's lower than the bad reaction risk from vaccination, and like other corona virus colds, repeated exposures end up mild, and in the end succeeding generations won't even need to be vaccinated. Not predicting that but it is one of the possible long term outcomes.

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13 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I wonder if in the end (say 10-20 yrs), this doesn't turn into just another circulating cold virus that people catch the first time as children when their risk is so low it's lower than the bad reaction risk from vaccination, and like other corona virus colds, repeated exposures end up mild, and in the end succeeding generations won't even need to be vaccinated. Not predicting that but it is one of the possible long term outcomes.

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Not at all a scientific poll, but an African American friend just posed the question on FB about who planned to get the Covid vaccine when it is released.  So far about a dozen responses of whom only two of us are Caucasian and I am the only one who responded affirmatively.  Kind of surprising.  But maybe not.  There is the Trump distrust.  But also the historical incidents of medical experimentation on African Americans.  I'm just guessing.  Not sure why these feel as they do..  Also kind of at odds with some AA mayors here in Texas that are asking that certain minority groups be given priority for the vaccines since these are the communities being hardest hit by the virus in our state.

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The U.S. hit 200,000 cases and 100,000 hospitalizations for the first time today. It’s going to be a long few months. 

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1 hour ago, Melody said:

Not at all a scientific poll, but an African American friend just posed the question on FB about who planned to get the Covid vaccine when it is released.  So far about a dozen responses of whom only two of us are Caucasian and I am the only one who responded affirmatively.  Kind of surprising.  But maybe not.  There is the Trump distrust.  But also the historical incidents of medical experimentation on African Americans.  I'm just guessing.  Not sure why these feel as they do..  Also kind of at odds with some AA mayors here in Texas that are asking that certain minority groups be given priority for the vaccines since these are the communities being hardest hit by the virus in our state.

I listened to our Governor’s presser this afternoon while running errands. I’m in Virginia now. There was a question about distrusts for the vaccine among the AA community. He did say there is a problem due to past tests there is apprehension among the community. I was assuming the same as you, especially the stories about the Tuskegee tests.

He did mention that one highly publicized screening event only drew a handful. His office also met with community leaders to explain, did a film for the communities to watch. The next event was much better.

 

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13 hours ago, Charles Liston said:

Do Cabinet Ministers (and their families) show up in any preferred category?

Almost certainly they'll get it very early on I should think.

I mean, what else is that personal fortune going to be for?

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I watched a webinar yesterday with a UM Public Health faculty member that made me feel more at ease about the vaccines. He basically said that the primary reason it got done so quickly was the tremendous amount of resources (money) poured into it, and doing some things in parallel that usually are not. They were also able to apply parts of vaccine development from other similar diseases (SARS, etc), so it's not like they were starting completely from scratch.

Two things he admitted though that still worry me some is that there has been little/no effort on the efficacy on kids and teens. He would not recommend the vaccine for anyone under 18. The other was that they obviously don't know the long term effects of the vaccine, though he was not overly concerned given the similarity to other vaccines. One other thing he mentioned was that they also don't know exactly how long the vaccine would be effective. He couldn't say if it would be annual (like flu shots) or some other interval.

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17 hours ago, Yoda said:

The UK has approved Pfizer's vaccine and shots begin next week. 

From this same webinar that TTR saw, the schedule established for the EUA (Emergency Use Approval) was two months follow up from the end of the phase III. He said the Federal advisory committee (VRBPAC) would be meeting on Dec 8 and that could put the EUA process in motion.

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11 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

From this same webinar that TTR saw, the schedule established for the EUA (Emergency Use Approval) was two months follow up from the end of the phase III. He said the Federal advisory committee (VRBPAC) would be meeting on Dec 8 and that could put the EUA process in motion.

Indeed. You took better notes than I apparently!

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6 minutes ago, Tigertown Rats said:

Indeed. You took better notes than I apparently!

It's the SO. She is a SPH alum.

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16 hours ago, Melody said:

Not at all a scientific poll, but an African American friend just posed the question on FB about who planned to get the Covid vaccine when it is released.  So far about a dozen responses of whom only two of us are Caucasian and I am the only one who responded affirmatively.  Kind of surprising.  But maybe not.  There is the Trump distrust.  But also the historical incidents of medical experimentation on African Americans.  I'm just guessing.  Not sure why these feel as they do..  Also kind of at odds with some AA mayors here in Texas that are asking that certain minority groups be given priority for the vaccines since these are the communities being hardest hit by the virus in our state.

People have mild reactions to being injected with government tracking devices.

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6 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

MPH-Epid in the 90s. 

Ah, so she's pretty familiar with Dr. Monto then probably. Always good to hear alums are keeping tabs on things.

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This is a lovely idea, and it’s good that he’s not pushing a mandate because that would never fly. But even a request for voluntary mask compliance seems to be tilting at windmills a bit. All the people who would be willing to comply are already doing it, and everybody else won’t because he stole the election from their hero. Maybe he picks up a few thousand wearers on the margins. How many thousands is going to depend on how the Administration sells it.

 

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56 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

This may have already been posted and I missed it. But it's pretty cool, a rough estimate of how soon you'll be getting your vaccination;

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

And that's if you need or trust it enough when your turn comes. 

I'm pretty well last in line. Fine with me. 

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Yes! In my county there are only 7.9 million people in line ahead of me. 

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The disheartening thing is the vaccinations won’t have an effect on the numbers until a few months into the new year, assuming we can crank them out as expected. Those are driven by community spread.  We have a flooding basement due to burst pipes and things down there are being destroyed but the early round of vaccinations are akin to finding the plumber and him putting his rubber boots on. 
 

the catch 22 is the people who are making it worse will most likely be at the end of the line. 
 

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51 minutes ago, Oblong said:

the catch 22 is the people who are making it worse will most likely be at the end of the line.

QFT

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

The disheartening thing is the vaccinations won’t have an effect on the numbers until a few months into the new year, assuming we can crank them out as expected. Those are driven by community spread.  We have a flooding basement due to burst pipes and things down there are being destroyed but the early round of vaccinations are akin to finding the plumber and him putting his rubber boots on. 
 

the catch 22 is the people who are making it worse will most likely be at the end of the line. 
 

Or else they won’t get in line at all.

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

The disheartening thing is the vaccinations won’t have an effect on the numbers until a few months into the new year, assuming we can crank them out as expected. Those are driven by community spread.  We have a flooding basement due to burst pipes and things down there are being destroyed but the early round of vaccinations are akin to finding the plumber and him putting his rubber boots on. 
 

the catch 22 is the people who are making it worse will most likely be at the end of the line. 
 

IDK. We know that "most people" having it isn't a big deal. The high risk people are mostly the reason things have to be shut down. Once they're taken care of does it really matter if a bunch of under-60 and healthy people are getting it? Obviously some of them are at risk of getting pretty sick, but those numbers will be low. 

75% of COVID deaths are 65+. Take care of them and the risks drop significantly. 

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57 minutes ago, Yoda said:

IDK. We know that "most people" having it isn't a big deal. The high risk people are mostly the reason things have to be shut down. Once they're taken care of does it really matter if a bunch of under-60 and healthy people are getting it? Obviously some of them are at risk of getting pretty sick, but those numbers will be low. 

75% of COVID deaths are 65+. Take care of them and the risks drop significantly. 

What's the age breakdown for hospitalizations and permanent damage to heart/lungs?  

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