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And two of the top three blue states on that graph have deep red strains running through them and went for Trump in 2016.

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and it's not like Whitmer did anything out of the ordinary.... people act like she's the only governor doing this.

The state GOP was caught flat footed between public health and loyalty to Trump and his method of managing this as a financial crisis rather than a health crisis.  She acted swiftly as the GOP leaders here were still waiting to get the direction from Washington, less they **** off Bubba and his AR-15.

 

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We just keep pissing in the pool and expecting that the cleaning solution will soon be added to the pool.  We don't have any on hand right now, there's none in the filtration system, but if everyone just gets used to swimming in **** water, we'll all be fine.

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The DNC should demand a recount in every state Trump supposedly won. Put them on the defensive. And then invite all democratic legislatures to a secret dinner.

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31 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

The DNC should demand a recount in every state Trump supposedly won. Put them on the defensive. And then invite all democratic legislatures to a secret dinner.

That's amusing.

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I listened to a top guy from CVS on CNN.  He said they've been working with Operation Warp Speed and will be ready to start putting needles in arms within hours once FDA approves EUA.   They will have start with skilled nursing centers, already identified, and health care/front line workers.  They expect to be able to do 20M by the end of the year, starting in mid Dec when he expects the authorization to be approved.   And the same would hold true for Walgreen's.  From there they can do 25M a month.  He felt confident that anyone who wants one will be able to get it sometime in March.  Pointed out they do similar things all the time during the year for the flu vaccine.  He sounded very confident on the logistics.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I listened to a top guy from CVS on CNN.  He said they've been working with Operation Warp Speed and will be ready to start putting needles in arms within hours once FDA approves EUA.   They will have start with skilled nursing centers, already identified, and health care/front line workers.  They expect to be able to do 20M by the end of the year, starting in mid Dec when he expects the authorization to be approved.   And the same would hold true for Walgreen's.  From there they can do 25M a month.  He felt confident that anyone who wants one will be able to get it sometime in March.  Pointed out they do similar things all the time during the year for the flu vaccine.  He sounded very confident on the logistics.

 

 

 

Yeah - I've never been that clear on why any one thought getting the shots done would be that hard, It's the manufacture and supply chain for the vaccine that has to be proven.

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33 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I listened to a top guy from CVS on CNN.  He said they've been working with Operation Warp Speed and will be ready to start putting needles in arms within hours once FDA approves EUA.   They will have start with skilled nursing centers, already identified, and health care/front line workers.  They expect to be able to do 20M by the end of the year, starting in mid Dec when he expects the authorization to be approved.   And the same would hold true for Walgreen's.  From there they can do 25M a month.  He felt confident that anyone who wants one will be able to get it sometime in March.  Pointed out they do similar things all the time during the year for the flu vaccine.  He sounded very confident on the logistics.

 

 

 

He mention any of the concerns on the temp required to transport the one vaccine?  That's the scary part for me.  The other has a shelf life of 30 days in normal refrigeration, there won't be any worry about getting it used up within 30 days, at least early on.

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Come on guys and gals. Hasn’t this become obvious to you yet???, that the reason Trump and his staff aren’t letting Biden and his staff anywhere near anything to do with the Covid information? He’s looking to totally sabotage the distribution of the vaccine, so that Trump can say “look I got the vaccine made - he’s the guy that can’t get it to you!”

You got to tell me you know this was happening. Come on

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40 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Yeah - I've never been that clear on why any one thought getting the shots done would be that hard, It's the manufacture and supply chain for the vaccine that has to be proven.

The production has always seemed the bottleneck in my understanding.  Presumably manufacturing will be done for world wide use rather than just domestic.

12 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

He mention any of the concerns on the temp required to transport the one vaccine?  That's the scary part for me.  The other has a shelf life of 30 days in normal refrigeration, there won't be any worry about getting it used up within 30 days, at least early on.

I keep forgetting about the shelf life issue and generically assume distribution after the more at risk population will be similar to the annual flu shot.  But that's probably a bad assumption?

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2 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Come on guys and gals. Hasn’t this become obvious to you yet???, that the reason Trump and his staff aren’t letting Biden and his staff anywhere near anything to do with the Covid information? He’s looking to totally sabotage the distribution of the vaccine, so that Trump can say “look I got the vaccine made - he’s the guy that can’t get it to you!”

You got to tell me you know this was happening. Come on

What virus?

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23 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

He mention any of the concerns on the temp required to transport the one vaccine?  That's the scary part for me.  The other has a shelf life of 30 days in normal refrigeration, there won't be any worry about getting it used up within 30 days, at least early on.

He didn't bring it up but I'm sure he's aware of it so that tells me they are not worried about it.   

 

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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

I listened to a top guy from CVS on CNN.  He said they've been working with Operation Warp Speed and will be ready to start putting needles in arms within hours once FDA approves EUA.   They will have start with skilled nursing centers, already identified, and health care/front line workers.  They expect to be able to do 20M by the end of the year, starting in mid Dec when he expects the authorization to be approved.   And the same would hold true for Walgreen's.  From there they can do 25M a month.  He felt confident that anyone who wants one will be able to get it sometime in March.  Pointed out they do similar things all the time during the year for the flu vaccine.  He sounded very confident on the logistics.

 

 

 

That really does make sense. I was thinking about that last month when I got my flu shot. If this vaccine really is around 90% effective, well, that's an amazing number. Almost unbelievable. And I'm very optimistic that it's true. This will be a total game changer. I still haven't read answers to my 2 main questions though. How long will the immunity last? And will it protect from every strain of the virus?

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2 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Come on guys and gals. Hasn’t this become obvious to you yet???, that the reason Trump and his staff aren’t letting Biden and his staff anywhere near anything to do with the Covid information? He’s looking to totally sabotage the distribution of the vaccine, so that Trump can say “look I got the vaccine made - he’s the guy that can’t get it to you!”

You got to tell me you know this was happening. Come on

No, I don't agree. Biden was in the WH for 8 years. I'm sure he has all the contacts he needs to set up a distribution system for this vaccine. Even if he had to start from scratch. Also, after working with the dysfunctional Trump administration,  I'm sure that Joe will be like a breath of fresh air to everyone in the country. 

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Nearly 10k cases in MI today. Oakland, Macomb, Wayne and Washtenaw Co all with big jumps. And the Washtenaw cases are primary growth in the general population - not the U, which is down to contributing less than 20% of the county's new cases (and some students are already leaving)

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It’s just unstoppable now. Too many have it. In 3 weeks I bet the daily numbers are still in the thousands. Any mitigation from closing things will be off set by gatherings. Too many people just don’t care about it anymore. We got pushback from certain family members when we said nobody for thanksgiving except us and my mother in law wnd brother in law. And insisting on masks because he’s out and about all the time. He wanted to bring his girlfriend  who has 6 grown kids that she sees all the time and travels to different states. She’s also one who “doesn’t get the flu shot.  My sons a chiropractor, remember?”  I don’t know entirely what that means but I guess he’s a quack and vaccines are evil. 

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22 minutes ago, Oblong said:

It’s just unstoppable now. Too many have it. In 3 weeks I bet the daily numbers are still in the thousands. Any mitigation from closing things will be off set by gatherings. Too many people just don’t care about it anymore. We got pushback from certain family members when we said nobody for thanksgiving except us and my mother in law wnd brother in law. And insisting on masks because he’s out and about all the time. He wanted to bring his girlfriend  who has 6 grown kids that she sees all the time and travels to different states. She’s also one who “doesn’t get the flu shot.  My sons a chiropractor, remember?”  I don’t know entirely what that means but I guess he’s a quack and vaccines are evil. 

I had a landscaper who told me his wife is a chiropractor and he said she cures MS. Announcing she's a quack in advance.

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