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21 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

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So apparently congress and Whitmer have been working together to pass new laws to deal with EO issues and other Covid related issues.  As much as I pay attention to news, only the education/virtual one is something I remember hearing about.  Rest of the time I hear Whitmer she's either propping up her national image or telling me how Republicans want old people to die.

Well isn't she just a horrible person. 

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a bunch of white dudes who think women should stay home are being overshadowed by a strong woman and they don't like that.  It's a macho thing.  She made tough decisions, got a lot of favorable press over it, and left them holding their dicks.

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46 minutes ago, Oblong said:

a bunch of white dudes who think women should stay home are being overshadowed by a strong woman and they don't like that.  It's a macho thing.  She made tough decisions, got a lot of favorable press over it, and left them holding their dicks.

Yeah but people got depressed and killed themselves because they couldn’t buy fertilizer for a couple weeks, a decision that was made without transparency or supporting science, and against the will of honorable legislature that was definitely not elected due to gerrymandering and who had the best interests of public health in mind and who don’t need to wear a damn mask because they feel just fine dammit. 

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2 hours ago, pfife said:

That blast about "telling me how Republicans want old people to die" is quite rich from the dude that comes here and misrepresents her nursing home EOs repeatedly.   

I never did, simply pointed out that 'on paper' vs 'real life' aren't always the same.  She made a mistake and while it took longer than I hoped, she learned from it, at least she's still not clinging to her original position.

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

a bunch of white dudes who think women should stay home are being overshadowed by a strong woman and they don't like that.  It's a macho thing.  She made tough decisions, got a lot of favorable press over it, and left them holding their dicks.

She did, and deserves praise for what she did.  But she is getting the same (but opposite) reaction to Trump on this page.  You can't say anything that is positive about his administration on this page, just as you can't say anything negative about her.  In the past I tended to point out more of the positive to try and give a different perspective and to avoid the 'everything is horrible' mantra.  Over time, I simply gave up, not because of this board, but because of Trump.  Guess I'll just stop with Whitmer and hope she can change my mind too but in a more positive way.  But I just can't fully understand the complete love fest for her.  She had a horrible first year as governor and IMO, has used Covid as a catalyst for national acclaim and political aspirations.  She made tough decisions, but there is truth to the fact that she followed other governor's lead.  They were still tough calls, and I don't think many can look at most of those decisions, based on where we were at the time and complain much, so again, deserves praise.  

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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

That's great.  The fact that both pfizer and moderna show similar results from the same basic method is a good indicator.

I'm still nervous about the idea whether those vaccinated can still get it and spread it... has that been addressed?

That's an excellent question. I haven't heard the answer yet but can people who get covid and recover then pass it on if they come in contact with it? And what's the immunity time for the vaccine? I think these are all questions we'll have to wait on.

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1 minute ago, ewsieg said:

She did, and deserves praise for what she did.  But she is getting the same (but opposite) reaction to Trump on this page.  You can't say anything that is positive about his administration on this page, just as you can't say anything negative about her.  In the past I tended to point out more of the positive to try and give a different perspective and to avoid the 'everything is horrible' mantra.  Over time, I simply gave up, not because of this board, but because of Trump.  Guess I'll just stop with Whitmer and hope she can change my mind too but in a more positive way.  But I just can't fully understand the complete love fest for her.  She had a horrible first year as governor and IMO, has used Covid as a catalyst for national acclaim and political aspirations.  She made tough decisions, but there is truth to the fact that she followed other governor's lead.  They were still tough calls, and I don't think many can look at most of those decisions, based on where we were at the time and complain much, so again, deserves praise.  

In a national crisis, governors will tend to follow similar procedures.  It's the ones that didn't follow that need to be criticized. 

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Just now, Yoda said:

In a national crisis, governors will tend to follow similar procedures.  It's the ones that didn't follow that need to be criticized. 

Life is so much simpler when people don't engage the Stans of the world.

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55 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

She did, and deserves praise for what she did.  But she is getting the same (but opposite) reaction to Trump on this page.  You can't say anything that is positive about his administration on this page, just as you can't say anything negative about her.  In the past I tended to point out more of the positive to try and give a different perspective and to avoid the 'everything is horrible' mantra.  Over time, I simply gave up, not because of this board, but because of Trump.  Guess I'll just stop with Whitmer and hope she can change my mind too but in a more positive way.  But I just can't fully understand the complete love fest for her.  She had a horrible first year as governor and IMO, has used Covid as a catalyst for national acclaim and political aspirations.  She made tough decisions, but there is truth to the fact that she followed other governor's lead.  They were still tough calls, and I don't think many can look at most of those decisions, based on where we were at the time and complain much, so again, deserves praise.  

 

51 minutes ago, Yoda said:

In a national crisis, governors will tend to follow similar procedures.  It's the ones that didn't follow that need to be criticized. 

You screwed up on the bolded part, fixed that for you.

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51 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Life is so much simpler when people don't engage the Stans of the world.

I certainly don't do a good job of expressing my thoughts on this site if you compare me to Stan.  I'm just not one of those name (R) = bad and name (D) = good type people.  Name (R) = bad certainly is good money if you're a betting man after what Trump has done to the party, but again, alone those designations mean nothing.  

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13 minutes ago, Oblong said:

A friend of mine is a manager at a local restaurant in Ferndale. During the Trump cruise on Woodward a few months ago, he was spit on by an anti-masker. Another bartender I know at the same place was contemplating quitting. 

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2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

I never did, simply pointed out that 'on paper' vs 'real life' aren't always the same.  She made a mistake and while it took longer than I hoped, she learned from it, at least she's still not clinging to her original position.

No, what was pointed out was that 'on paper' and 'real life' weren't the same as what you said about the EOs.

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33 minutes ago, chasfh said:

 

Man... that’s gold.

So true.

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I see on CNN that South Dakota has 1,400 cases per day, exactly the same as Ontario.  There is a slight difference in population though; South Dakota has 885 thousand, and Ontario has 14 million.

In Ontario, 1,400 cases per day is being viewed as almost catastrophic, with various models predicting that based on the current trajectory the daily cases could be 5,000 by the end of the year.  In the high population areas we are probably only days away from another full lockdown.  The generally accepted reason for the infection rates being so high is that people are just stupid.  The Ontario government did a first rate job early in the pandemic, but is appearing to be indecisive lately.  If we are going to lock down, let's get on with it.

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9 hours ago, Charles Liston said:

I see on CNN that South Dakota has 1,400 cases per day, exactly the same as Ontario.  There is a slight difference in population though; South Dakota has 885 thousand, and Ontario has 14 million.

In Ontario, 1,400 cases per day is being viewed as almost catastrophic, with various models predicting that based on the current trajectory the daily cases could be 5,000 by the end of the year.  In the high population areas we are probably only days away from another full lockdown.  The generally accepted reason for the infection rates being so high is that people are just stupid.  The Ontario government did a first rate job early in the pandemic, but is appearing to be indecisive lately.  If we are going to lock down, let's get on with it.

Canada sounds sane.  Must be nice bro.

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10 hours ago, Charles Liston said:

I see on CNN that South Dakota has 1,400 cases per day, exactly the same as Ontario.  There is a slight difference in population though; South Dakota has 885 thousand, and Ontario has 14 million.

In Ontario, 1,400 cases per day is being viewed as almost catastrophic, with various models predicting that based on the current trajectory the daily cases could be 5,000 by the end of the year.  In the high population areas we are probably only days away from another full lockdown.  The generally accepted reason for the infection rates being so high is that people are just stupid.  The Ontario government did a first rate job early in the pandemic, but is appearing to be indecisive lately.  If we are going to lock down, let's get on with it.

It should be known that the governor of South Dakota, Kristi Noem, still refuses to do anything and is probably one of the early front-runners for the Republican nomination in 2024. 

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22 hours ago, Shelton said:

This Whitmer obsession is pretty weird. 

Especially considering if this virus would have been handled properly on a national level, it could have been contained.

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19 hours ago, tigerbomb13 said:

A friend of mine is a manager at a local restaurant in Ferndale. During the Trump cruise on Woodward a few months ago, he was spit on by an anti-masker. Another bartender I know at the same place was contemplating quitting. 

 

19 hours ago, Oblong said:

I've seen so many things like that on social media.  

There's a reason they're called deplorables.

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Did he IDK ask the people running a nursing home?   I mean it's their job to keep their people healthy.  Literally what people pay them for.

People are dying in nursing homes, better not contact a nursing home.  smh nice bias leduff

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