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I know a lot of people who have it or have had it now.   Like at least a dozen people easily.   **** is getting wild.

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Va’s Governor just announced a cutback in gatherings. Back to 25 maximum both indoors and out. This includes stores, I think. It may put a crimp an a couple of plans in  about a month.

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30 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Va’s Governor just announced a cutback in gatherings. Back to 25 maximum both indoors and out. This includes stores, I think. It may put a crimp an a couple of plans in  about a month.

we are not too far from putting the Hospital ships into harbour again and opening triage facilities in convention centers, or IOW right back to where we were in April.

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

At least they will play jazz.  It’s soothing. 

Haha, as long as it's more like big band music and less like that Pat Metheny freeform ****. 

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2 hours ago, jbhappy said:

Haha, as long as it's more like big band music and less like that Pat Metheny freeform ****. 

No, no.

Miles Davis. Or John Coltrane.

Actually, Pat Metheny is perfectly fine. As is John Scofield. Sonny Rollins. Joe Henderson. Wynton & Branford Marsalis. Duke Ellington. Stan Getz. Gerry Mulligan. Coleman Hawkins. Almost an endless list of greats...

And great music.

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More Miles, less Coltrane. And mix in some Art Blakey, Charles Mingus, Thelonius Monk, Bill Evans, Lee Morgan and Horace Silver for texture. 

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Looks like mostly bars and restaurants for dine in, casinos, college and universities.   Too bad about the restaurants. I wonder if part of it is too many flouting capacity rules?  I drive by quite a few with packed parking lots. Many places are complying but some are not.   I really feel for the workers.  

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5 hours ago, chasfh said:

More Miles, less Coltrane. And mix in some Art Blakey, Charles Mingus, Thelonius Monk, Bill Evans, Lee Morgan and Horace Silver for texture. 

ALL GOOD!!!

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2 hours ago, Oblong said:

Looks like mostly bars and restaurants for dine in, casinos, college and universities.   Too bad about the restaurants. I wonder if part of it is too many flouting capacity rules?  I drive by quite a few with packed parking lots. Many places are complying but some are not.   I really feel for the workers.  

We sent kids to colleges from all over the country. Now they're all going home for the holidays? The vast majority of them? This has disaster written all over it. Instead of a community spread, it'll be a national spread. If it isn't already.

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28 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

We sent kids to colleges from all over the country. Now they're all going home for the holidays? The vast majority of them? This has disaster written all over it. Instead of a community spread, it'll be a national spread. If it isn't already.

At UM our outbreak is already on the downside and right now our student body has a lower prevalence rate than the majority of the places they are going to go home to, so at least in our case that is not an issue. The goofy thing for us is that we were already going to wrap up our in-person classes on Friday anyway, so now we lose three days we thought we had, and of course everyone was packing everything they could in at the end trying to finish, so this is really throwing us a curve.

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I don't think this does anything. People are getting it from small group gatherings and those aren't going to stop, especially with the holidays. The vitrol and complaining is entertaining in a sad way though. If people truly cared about the businesses, they'd be masked up shopping at them instead of complaining on Facebook. 

My folks are just getting over it. It hit my mom way worse than it did my dad, although he has all of the risk factors. I they are doing okay now but it is very scary. 

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My company likes to do a community volunteering thing. Usually it is done during the 2nd quarter (April-June) but was cancelled due to COVID. Now they decide to have a volunteer event packing meals for homeless. There will be about 10 people in a room and they say there will be distancing and masks but it doesn't seem like a good idea to meet while the virus is surging. No one else has said anything so I guess I'll have to be the jerk. 

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That's a tough one.... I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to do it.  But since the homeless still need to eat and still need to have volunteers doing that kind of thing I can see a person wanting to take that risk to help others.  Is the volunteering "voluntary"?  

I think if everyone has masks on and you can keep the talking to a minimum it would be ok.

 

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Moderna says their vaccine is 94.5% effective.... 

Like pfizer it uses mRNA and 2 shots...  Big advantage in that it can be stored at lower temps.  Hope to have 20M (10M Doses) by year end.

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4 minutes ago, Oblong said:

That's a tough one.... I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to do it.  But since the homeless still need to eat and still need to have volunteers doing that kind of thing I can see a person wanting to take that risk to help others.  Is the volunteering "voluntary"?  

I think if everyone has masks on and you can keep the talking to a minimum it would be ok.

 

Maybe they can figure out some sort of multi-room assembly line situation to keep just a few people in a room at the same time?

Maybe they could move it all outside. So what if it’s cold? Hey, we’re Michiganders, right?

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They ended up cancelling it without me having to say anything. They cited the governor's new orders. That woman from Michigan strikes again. 

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Seeing the anti-vaxers are already out on social media simultaneously urging folks not to take the vaccine while praising Trump for its speedy development 

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

My company likes to do a community volunteering thing. Usually it is done during the 2nd quarter (April-June) but was cancelled due to COVID. Now they decide to have a volunteer event packing meals for homeless. There will be about 10 people in a room and they say there will be distancing and masks but it doesn't seem like a good idea to meet while the virus is surging. No one else has said anything so I guess I'll have to be the jerk. 

Based on those that tout 'science' in their decisions, if you were doing 'liberal' things like protesting (and rioting) these simply don't spread this virus.  Now if one of your co-workers rides a motorcycle, even if they didn't go to Sturgis, chances are they have it and I wouldn't want to be in a room with them.  Hopefully the virus will be confused on rather it can/can't spread in that scenario and everyone gets out before it has a chance to hit.

(note - i'm just (kinda) joking)

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I had a chat with one of my sisters yesterday about Thanksgiving. The big family gathering has been cancelled, which I assumed. She’s a bit frustrated with members of her husband’s family who keep informing her they are coming. I almost told her to set a picnic table up outside, leave a tray of Banquet turkey breasts and lock the door.

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

Moderna says their vaccine is 94.5% effective.... 

Like pfizer it uses mRNA and 2 shots...  Big advantage in that it can be stored at lower temps.  Hope to have 20M (10M Doses) by year end.

Lower temps? You mean it doesn't have to be kept at temperatures as low?

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4 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Seeing the anti-vaxers are already out on social media simultaneously urging folks not to take the vaccine while praising Trump for its speedy development 

I have a friend that is anti-vaxxer, found out yesterday she voted for Trump and was surprised to find out we didn't in this household.  She and all of her anti-vaxxer folks were always democratic votes and sounds like many of those flipped.  He's not only getting the radicals of the right, seems to be taking the radicals of the left now too...ugh.

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3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Lower temps? You mean it doesn't have to be kept at temperatures as low?

Pfizer's has to be stored at -70C, -94F.   Those freezers cost 10K and you can't just convert an existing freezer.  Moderna's is -20C/-4F.  Also it can then be stored in a refrigerator for 30 days.... I think Pfizer's fridge shelf life was 7 days.

Of course production volume matters most but it means that you can get Moderna's at more locations once available.  

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7 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I have a friend that is anti-vaxxer, found out yesterday she voted for Trump and was surprised to find out we didn't in this household.  She and all of her anti-vaxxer folks were always democratic votes and sounds like many of those flipped.  He's not only getting the radicals of the right, seems to be taking the radicals of the left now too...ugh.

He appears to have very little intellect, but is very skilled at marketing.  Why people believe anything he says, I will never know, but they do.  

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