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I feel safe with a mask.  I know it's not zero risk but nothing is.  I've just started going to some indoor workout classes.  We used to be in a studio room and would cram 25+ people in there... no way on that.  But now with other things within the center closed, like basketball, along with the ballroom that they can't rent out anymore, they moved the classes there.  I went Thursday and we had a whole basketball court to ourselves and I was 10 feet away from the nearest person.  Stationary, no running around into other people's "cloud".  We all had masks on.  I view it as the physical and mental benefit to doing this outweighs the risk in the chance that one of those 10 people both has it and will infect me if we are both wearing masks... I figure I'm just as likely to get into a serious auto accident in the 2 mile drive there and back.   That's what has to be weighed.  It's the same risk as going to the grocery store.  I need food.  I need to work out and the cooler weather is making that more difficult.  I am still running outside but the weight stuff that we were doing outside is no longer practical due to the time change and the cooler weather.  No need to go to an indoor bar or tightly packed restaurant because those don't provide the same benefit to my health.  I don't need to do that.  It's an unnecessary risk.

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I feel safe with a mask.  I know it's not zero risk but nothing is.  I've just started going to some indoor workout classes.  We used to be in a studio room and would cram 25+ people in there... no way on that.  But now with other things within the center closed, like basketball, along with the ballroom that they can't rent out anymore, they moved the classes there.  I went Thursday and we had a whole basketball court to ourselves and I was 10 feet away from the nearest person.  Stationary, no running around into other people's "cloud".  We all had masks on.  I view it as the physical and mental benefit to doing this outweighs the risk in the chance that one of those 10 people both has it and will infect me if we are both wearing masks... I figure I'm just as likely to get into a serious auto accident in the 2 mile drive there and back.   That's what has to be weighed.  It's the same risk as going to the grocery store.  I need food.  I need to work out and the cooler weather is making that more difficult.  I am still running outside but the weight stuff that we were doing outside is no longer practical due to the time change and the cooler weather.  No need to go to an indoor bar or tightly packed restaurant because those don't provide the same benefit to my health.  I don't need to do that.  It's an unnecessary risk.

You make a great point. Balancing between mental and physical health is extremely important right now.  Getting to the gym and exercising can really keep someone sane. I like what your gym did, use a large space with a mask. Best we can do right now. 

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5 hours ago, Shelton said:

I just saw a recent photo of an indoor family gathering combining five different households, each of which have people going to in-person work work every day. 
 

It feels like this recent uptick is primarily due to Covid fatigue. 
 

Anecdotes are anecdotes, but just over the past month I’ve finally heard of direct acquaintances that got the virus.

 

IDK about the whole fatigue thing. I am working live with people around me everyday, the drill has just become routine now. I think the dates tell the story,  one of the fuses that lit the current outbreak was the colleges and also to a lesser degree, high schools that opened, and  the weather.  Everyone scoffed (including me) at the claims the warm weather would end this because it certainly did not die out when the weather did get warmer - but maybe compared to where it would have been it was suppressed  (esp by restaurants being able to serve outside) and we just didn't realize it because it never got all that close to zero. 

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The sharp rise does coincide with the state SC ruling the mask mandate invalid. But the flip side is cases began to rise all over the Midwest and it took time to get here.... so I am not ready to blame that although I’m sure it’s partially responsible. 
 

Just waiting for my first “we don’t need a mask anymore, there’s a vaccine” experience 

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Just now, Oblong said:

The sharp rise does coincide with the state SC ruling the mask mandate invalid. But the flip side is cases began to rise all over the Midwest and it took time to get here.... so I am not ready to blame that although I’m sure it’s partially responsible. 
 

Just waiting for my first “we don’t need a mask anymore, there’s a vaccine” experience 

Maggie Lizer helps out daddy's lawfirm. I'm sure there's been more motorcycle crashes with people out and about for them to chase down ambulances.

 

 

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If a mask is so effective and the majority of the population is wearing one then why are infections sky rocketing? I am not anti-mask but I dont think it is preventing the spread as some might hope.

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Just now, Tigeraholic1 said:

If a mask is so effective and the majority of the population is wearing one then why are infections sky rocketing? I am not anti-mask but I dont think it is preventing the spread as some might hope.

I sort of doubt the majority wear them the majority of the time. UM has been tracking its cases as well as anywhere, and they are not seeing any spread in places were mask discipline is enforced - i.e. classrooms and labs. The spread has mostly been in residential settings where either contact is very extended and masks are almost certainly not worn consistently (people have to eat!). 

This why the US (and also some euros) blew it by not working hard enough to stop it before backing off. We got to moderately lows rates and tried to go back to business as usual, compared to most of the East Asian nations who took a bigger initial hit to drive it to essentially zero before letting off the throttle. They understood that until rates were so low you could track every single case to ground it would get lose again, because people do have to live together (and eat!) and they had the cultural cohesion to do it we lack.

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13 hours ago, Oblong said:

I feel safe with a mask.  I know it's not zero risk but nothing is.  I've just started going to some indoor workout classes.  We used to be in a studio room and would cram 25+ people in there... no way on that.  But now with other things within the center closed, like basketball, along with the ballroom that they can't rent out anymore, they moved the classes there.  I went Thursday and we had a whole basketball court to ourselves and I was 10 feet away from the nearest person.  Stationary, no running around into other people's "cloud".  We all had masks on.  I view it as the physical and mental benefit to doing this outweighs the risk in the chance that one of those 10 people both has it and will infect me if we are both wearing masks... I figure I'm just as likely to get into a serious auto accident in the 2 mile drive there and back.   That's what has to be weighed.  It's the same risk as going to the grocery store.  I need food.  I need to work out and the cooler weather is making that more difficult.  I am still running outside but the weight stuff that we were doing outside is no longer practical due to the time change and the cooler weather.  No need to go to an indoor bar or tightly packed restaurant because those don't provide the same benefit to my health.  I don't need to do that.  It's an unnecessary risk.

 

 

 

we send out two girls to dance classes in person.  a few weeks ago someone at the location tested positive so they did everything virtual for a week, now its back in person.

i figure thats how most things will go for a while, even after we get the vaccine out.

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My daughter-in-law had been working remotely since March. (HR professional)  Evidently it has been going well because her department is going to permanent work from home.   As I understand it, the building will be razed and new patient treatment facilities built on the site.  

I wonder how widespread this trend will be?

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3 minutes ago, Buddha said:

we send out two girls to dance classes in person.  a few weeks ago someone at the location tested positive so they did everything virtual for a week, now its back in person.

i figure thats how most things will go for a while, even after we get the vaccine out.

We do the same.  Masks on.  Temps checked upon entry.  Spaces on floor taped off.  No issues yet this season.

When all pooh broke loose in March, it all went to online classes until things warmed up and it could be held outside.  One large indoor recital was pushed back from May to August and held in smaller groups outside.

The youngest wanted to do basketball, but, nope, not this year.  Plenty of dance already and I am not getting myself in position to be roped into coaching under these conditions.

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1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

If a mask is so effective and the majority of the population is wearing one then why are infections sky rocketing? I am not anti-mask but I dont think it is preventing the spread as some might hope.

Because it only takes a small percentage of people not wearing masks to cause widespread infections.  For example, if one infected person is at a big gathering where people are not wearing masks, that person can spread it to a bunch of other people who then spread it to family members (who might normally wear masks but don't wear them at home).   

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13 hours ago, Oblong said:

I feel safe with a mask.  I know it's not zero risk but nothing is.  I've just started going to some indoor workout classes.  We used to be in a studio room and would cram 25+ people in there... no way on that.  But now with other things within the center closed, like basketball, along with the ballroom that they can't rent out anymore, they moved the classes there.  I went Thursday and we had a whole basketball court to ourselves and I was 10 feet away from the nearest person.  Stationary, no running around into other people's "cloud".  We all had masks on.  I view it as the physical and mental benefit to doing this outweighs the risk in the chance that one of those 10 people both has it and will infect me if we are both wearing masks... I figure I'm just as likely to get into a serious auto accident in the 2 mile drive there and back.   That's what has to be weighed.  It's the same risk as going to the grocery store.  I need food.  I need to work out and the cooler weather is making that more difficult.  I am still running outside but the weight stuff that we were doing outside is no longer practical due to the time change and the cooler weather.  No need to go to an indoor bar or tightly packed restaurant because those don't provide the same benefit to my health.  I don't need to do that.  It's an unnecessary risk.

 

 

 

Kind of the same for me.  My gym also posts weekly workouts via FB for members.  So, the HIIT training posted on FB is the same thing that is being in person for the week.  They've been doing this since late March.  They also pushed back memberships to account for gyms being closed.  So whatever the time frame was (call it 2 months), my end of March contract expiration becomes end of May.

 

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3 minutes ago, Casimir said:

We do the same.  Masks on.  Temps checked upon entry.  Spaces on floor taped off.  No issues yet this season.

When all pooh broke loose in March, it all went to online classes until things warmed up and it could be held outside.  One large indoor recital was pushed back from May to August and held in smaller groups outside.

The youngest wanted to do basketball, but, nope, not this year.  Plenty of dance already and I am not getting myself in position to be roped into coaching under these conditions.

I coached my sons little league this summer and of the 40 teams we had zero cases. I am now coaching his middle school basketball team and I will be suprised if we play a whole season. 2 weeks in and so far so good.

 

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4 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Because it only takes a small percentage of people not wearing masks to cause widespread infections.  For example, if one infected person is at a big gathering where people are not wearing masks, that person can spread it to a bunch of other people who then spread it to family members (who might normally wear masks but don't wear them at home).   

You are right on that. Funny though my wife is an ICU nurse with 80 beds and 120 nurses. Not one nurse has been infected yet. I know they are well protected with PPE but really suprised how disciplined the staff is. They have been avereging 80 positives for about two months. 

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there are so many free workout videos on you tube i have a hard time imagining going to a gym for a cardio class ever again.

weights is different.

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39 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Because it only takes a small percentage of people not wearing masks to cause widespread infections.  For example, if one infected person is at a big gathering where people are not wearing masks, that person can spread it to a bunch of other people who then spread it to family members (who might normally wear masks but don't wear them at home).   

yes - this too.

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32 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

You are right on that. Funny though my wife is an ICU nurse with 80 beds and 120 nurses. Not one nurse has been infected yet. I know they are well protected with PPE but really suprised how disciplined the staff is. They have been avereging 80 positives for about two months. 

I’m betting that your wife and her colleague are super vigilant because they get to see just how horrible this virus is - up close - daily.

A few nurse friends of mine who were involved in the first months here are still scared ****less.  In the beginning, there were really no effective therapies, adding to the despair. And exhaustion. (Did I mention exhaustion?)

God bless all these healthcare workers, who are STILL working their asses off, while the rest of us debate about how awful it is to not be able to sit at their local bar again. 

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32 minutes ago, Buddha said:

there are so many free workout videos on you tube i have a hard time imagining going to a gym for a cardio class ever again.

weights is different.

Yeah. I’ve turned part of my garage into a home gym.  I have a treadmill with iFit, so it has built in runs. But I also watch a lot of videos to change it up.  Just finished p90x, got a bit boring by the end. With the weights, you certainly can’t replace what a gym has, but I have some decent bands, and then some 25 lb dumbbells.  Better than nothing. The exercise has been a life savor through this pandemic.  Keeps me sane, and I’ve dropped 15 lbs. 

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41 minutes ago, Buddha said:

there are so many free workout videos on you tube i have a hard time imagining going to a gym for a cardio class ever again.

weights is different.

For me it’s the discipline of signing up and once I am there I don’t leave. Just going is 80% of it. Online classes.... you can still slack off. At least for me.  And the camaraderie of being around others.  Basically most of my friends now are workout and running buddies. There’s an accountability factor.  

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1 hour ago, Melody said:

My daughter-in-law had been working remotely since March. (HR professional)  Evidently it has been going well because her department is going to permanent work from home.   As I understand it, the building will be razed and new patient treatment facilities built on the site.  

I wonder how widespread this trend will be?

Commercial real estate is going to take a huge hit. Along with the support businesses. I worry about lunchtime spots.  

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58 minutes ago, Buddha said:

there are so many free workout videos on you tube i have a hard time imagining going to a gym for a cardio class ever again.

weights is different.

I never understood the fascination of gyms. Unless you're really cash strapped, you can build a home gym of sorts with a bench, free weights and mats and not have to deal with the bacteria trap that is gyms. You can easily get your weight lifting workouts done at home (watch a youtube video if you're a beginner) and cardio with an elliptical machine or taking a long walk/run every day (even better to up that Vitamin D level).

I used to work out at gyms years ago but that was more for friend camaraderie and to check out girls. Now that I'm older, I don't have any interest in being around a crowd while I'm working out and using machines that may or may not have been wiped down previously. The good thing about this pandemic (and I use the term "good" loosely) is that it allowed me more free time to get back to working out regularly again so I do a daily hour weight lifting/pushup/situp routine and also take a 2-3 mile walk every day. Not only good for physical health but good for mental health as well. I'll never go to a gym again.

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the only reason i would join a gym is for the weights and because i could do it at lunchtime when im at work.  ive got an hour plus commute and two kids to take care of, so its harder to find time to workout at home when things are "normal."

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2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

I never understood the fascination of gyms. Unless you're really cash strapped, you can build a home gym of sorts with a bench, free weights and mats and not have to deal with the bacteria trap that is gyms. You can easily get your weight lifting workouts done at home (watch a youtube video if you're a beginner) and cardio with an elliptical machine or taking a long walk/run every day (even better to up that Vitamin D level).

I used to work out at gyms years ago but that was more to be involved with friends and check out girls. Now that I'm older, I don't have any interest in being around a crowd while I'm working out and using machines that may or may not have been wiped down previously. The good thing about this pandemic (and I use the term "good" loosely) is that it allowed me more free time to get back to working out regularly again so I do a daily hour weight lifting/pushup/situp routine and also take a 2-3 mile walk every day. Not only good for physical health but good for mental health as well. I'll never go to a gym again.

I think Rob's point about people helping to keep each other accountable is a big one. I have a decent universal gym setup at home and I do use it -- occasionally!

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

the only reason i would join a gym is for the weights and because i could do it at lunchtime when im at work.  ive got an hour plus commute and two kids to take care of, so its harder to find time to workout at home when things are "normal."

I didn't feel near as much need to exercise when I was chasing two kids around. 🏃‍♂️

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