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19 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

It has gotten to where this just isn't rocket science anymore. It all goes back to masks. In settings where people wear them it is dramatically effective. Even with the 'big' kids; UM is tracking as many cases as they can to earth and the classroom just has not shown up as a significant vector.  It spreads where people are breathing on each other: residential settings where people are unmasked, and any place people gather to eat or drink together.

But at least it isn't happening in Secretary of State offices, because despite the fact that stores, bars, restaurants, and many other businesses have been pretty much fully open for months, the Secretary of State offices are still effectively closed.  I guess the "science" shows that standing in line at a cider mill is safe but getting a vehicle title or license plate puts people at especially high risk of contracting the virus.

Thanks for protecting us from the dreaded titletransferitis, General Secretary Benson.

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24 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

But at least it isn't happening in Secretary of State offices, because despite the fact that stores, bars, restaurants, and many other businesses have been pretty much fully open for months, the Secretary of State offices are still effectively closed.  I guess the "science" shows that standing in line at a cider mill is safe but getting a vehicle title or license plate puts people at especially high risk of contracting the virus.

Thanks for protecting us from the dreaded titletransferitis, General Secretary Benson.

I'm not sure what you are talking about, I was in the SOS office two weeks ago (to transfer a title no less).  Seemed pretty open to me. True - you can't walk in, you make an appt, but all that does is save you a bunch of wasted time taking a number and waiting in line, so I'm not complaining. It's almost as horrible as not being able to walk into your favorite 'open'  restaurant without making a reservation.

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23 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I'm not sure what you are talking about, I was in the SOS office two weeks ago (to transfer a title no less).  Seemed pretty open to me. True - you can't walk in, you make an appt, but all that does is save you a bunch of wasted time taking a number and waiting in line, so I'm not complaining. It's almost as horrible as not being able to walk into your favorite 'open'  restaurant without making a reservation.

I guess

 

23 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I'm not sure what you are talking about, I was in the SOS office two weeks ago (to transfer a title no less).  Seemed pretty open to me. True - you can't walk in, you make an appt, but all that does is save you a bunch of wasted time taking a number and waiting in line, so I'm not complaining. It's almost as horrible as not being able to walk into your favorite 'open'  restaurant without making a reservation.

Well, I lost patience when I went online night after night to make a "same-day appointment" at every SOS office within a reasonable radius, only to be told that there were none available.  But if I don't mind making an advance appointment months from now, some of them were apparently available. 

Even restaurants that take reservations don't serve just one or two people at a time, and not let anyone else in until those people leave.  Which is what the SOS office that I did get into when they first "opened" was doing.  But I've bought two vehicles since then, and haven't been able to do the paperwork on either of them.  Maybe I can get an appointment within a reasonable time in Iron Mountain.

If everything else is open -- really open -- there is no reasonable excuse for state offices not to be. 

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30 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I'm not sure what you are talking about, I was in the SOS office two weeks ago (to transfer a title no less).  Seemed pretty open to me. True - you can't walk in, you make an appt, but all that does is save you a bunch of wasted time taking a number and waiting in line, so I'm not complaining. It's almost as horrible as not being able to walk into your favorite 'open'  restaurant without making a reservation.

Right.  The idea is to limit the amount of time people are around each other.  And it frees up the staff so they don’t have to baby sit the inevitable “freedom lovers” who think they are above wearing masks or become crowd control, counting people, etc. .  Even with masks a few dozen people clustered together for an extended period of time is still risky. Why do that if you don’t have to?  
 

society needs to get over themselves and understand that there will be some inconveniences during this. SOS is not a business that would go under without patronage.  We are such a spoiled society. Maybe that’s why Africa is doing better than we are. We aren’t equipped to have to wait or be told what to do. It’s not in our DNA. 

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59 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

But at least it isn't happening in Secretary of State offices, because despite the fact that stores, bars, restaurants, and many other businesses have been pretty much fully open for months, the Secretary of State offices are still effectively closed.  I guess the "science" shows that standing in line at a cider mill is safe but getting a vehicle title or license plate puts people at especially high risk of contracting the virus.

Thanks for protecting us from the dreaded titletransferitis, General Secretary Benson.

there are lots of bars & restaurants in my area that are not fully open.  In fact, I don't think any are fully open at least in my area.

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59 minutes ago, pfife said:

there are lots of bars & restaurants in my area that are not fully open.  In fact, I don't think any are fully open at least in my area.

I guess all the places in my area that have people sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bar and at full tables are the outliers.

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6 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

I guess all the places in my area that have people sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bar and at full tables are the outliers.

and the SOS should make the same mistake?

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11 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

I guess all the places in my area that have people sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bar and at full tables are the outliers.

I don't know your area.   I still can't go inside the McDonalds less than 1/2 mile from my house, for example.   The Arby's is the same.   The taco bell has 1/2 of it's tables marked not to be used, but you can go inside that one.  The business I work for hasn't had it's office open since March.   

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1 hour ago, six-hopper said:

I guess

 

Well, I lost patience when I went online night after night to make a "same-day appointment" at every SOS office within a reasonable radius, only to be told that there were none available.  But if I don't mind making an advance appointment months from now, some of them were apparently available. 

Even restaurants that take reservations don't serve just one or two people at a time, and not let anyone else in until those people leave.  Which is what the SOS office that I did get into when they first "opened" was doing.  But I've bought two vehicles since then, and haven't been able to do the paperwork on either of them.  Maybe I can get an appointment within a reasonable time in Iron Mountain.

If everything else is open -- really open -- there is no reasonable excuse for state offices not to be. 

The lack of appointments is the same situation that existed before COVID when the lines were hours deep. Your state offices are undermanned because your previous GOP admin was so intent of cutting taxes to lure businesses that didn't come anyway that your stae government offices don't function very well. You get what you pay for. I don't know why people are so constantly surprised at that.

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2 minutes ago, pfife said:

I don't know your area.   I still can't go inside the McDonalds less than 1/2 mile from my house, for example.  The business I work for hasn't had it's office open since March.   

I live in Davison.  McDonald's is the only fast food restaurant to not have inside dining.  The Big Boy in town has been closed since the lockdown begain.  All other eating establishments are open, with social distance seating.

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1 minute ago, Euphdude said:

I live in Davison.  McDonald's is the only fast food restaurant to not have inside dining.  The Big Boy in town has been closed since the lockdown begain.  All other eating establishments are open, with social distance seating.

Does that mean they're not fully open b/c some tables are not allowed to be used for social distancing purposes?

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13 minutes ago, six-hopper said:

I guess all the places in my area that have people sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bar and at full tables are the outliers.

We want names, show some proof besides your hearsay

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4 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

We want names, show some proof besides your hearsay

This is the guy who once said there was only 56 cases and nothing to worry about. He was completely wrong about the virus. Surprised he still comes around being as wrong as he was. 

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16 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

The lack of appointments is the same situation that existed before COVID when the lines were hours deep. Your state offices are undermanned because your previous GOP admin was so intent of cutting taxes to lure businesses that didn't come anyway that your stae government offices don't function very well. You get what you pay for. I don't know why people are so constantly surprised at that.

Because people don't make that connection. Instead they blame the people still working at government offices for being "slow" or "lazy", depending on their background.

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15 minutes ago, pfife said:

Does that mean they're not fully open b/c some tables are not allowed to be used for social distancing purposes?

Correct.

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9 minutes ago, Euphdude said:

Correct.

yeah we have that situation with all of our dine-in places too.   The other thing that has happened is they expanded outdoor seating, and in some cases closed down a road for it!   The only time I've dined at a restaurant since March has been in the middle of the road!  lol.   

I'm just largely saying that he claimed businesses like bars & restaurants were "fully open" and if it's the case that 1/2 of their tables are blocked off, I can't agree that's considered "fully open".  There are no bars or restaurants that are "fully open" where I live so his claims don't resonate very strongly with me.   Maybe elsewhere they are, I don't really know for sure.

When I've been up north, picking up take out food from local bar & grill, it did seem like they were fully open.

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5 minutes ago, pfife said:

yeah we have that situation with all of our dine-in places too.   The other thing that has happened is they expanded outdoor seating, and in some cases closed down a road for it!   The only time I've dined at a restaurant since March has been in the middle of the road!  lol.   

I'm just largely saying that he claimed businesses like bars & restaurants were "fully open" and if it's the case that 1/2 of their tables are blocked off, I can't agree that's considered "fully open".  There are no bars or restaurants that are "fully open" where I live so his claims don't resonate very strongly with me.   Maybe elsewhere they are, I don't really know for sure.

And as winter rolls in, those outdoor dining options will disappear. At least, in the cooler states. And I've read that many snowbirds who winter in Florida or Arizona won't be going there. That could ruin their economy. But not to worry, the vaccine will be here in a couple of weeks. 👌👌

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

The lack of appointments is the same situation that existed before COVID when the lines were hours deep. Your state offices are undermanned because your previous GOP admin was so intent of cutting taxes to lure businesses that didn't come anyway that your stae government offices don't function very well. You get what you pay for. I don't know why people are so constantly surprised at that.

For years the SOS was running pretty good from my view.  I'll admit I'm not in there a ton though.  The online appointments always worked out well for me.  

I know the easy thing is to blame republicans, but pre-Covid the SOS issues were two-fold, the real ID law that set for this year increasing the workload and a really good economy that resulted in not enough folks to backfill positions.  You can blame republicans for maybe not paying state employees enough and for producing a strong economy with record unemployment which led to a very small pool of qualified candidates, there is legitimate criticism in both of those against the GOP.

 

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So...I called my doctor for a covid vaccine appointment.  She said there isn't one. I told her to make it for 3 or 4 weeks out because Donald Trump said the vaccine is 2 weeks away. She hung up on me.

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