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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I have to admit I think that legally the ruling is defensible based on what the Judges said - much like with Trump, the real villians here are GOP legislature who would rather kill their own constituents than allow their two-bit ideology to be challenged.

Well, I really don’t know all the facts. But if anyone thinks the economy will just bounce back if everything's opened back up, they're wrong. Flying, movie theaters, restaurants, sporting events, concerts and anything with a crowd could end up being a major community health problem. As well as all the folks who won't be doing any of those things.

Until. There's. A. Cure.

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3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Yep, punish her for protecting us from ourselves.   Private businesses can still require mask - it's a store policy and I doubt any of them will change that just yet.    

But if bars open, it will be a disaster. They won't be limited?

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1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

Well, I really don’t know all the facts. But if anyone thinks the economy will just bounce back if everything's opened back up, they're wrong. Flying, movie theaters, restaurants, sporting events, concerts and anything with a crowd could end up being a major community health problem. As well as all the folks who won't be doing any of those things.

Until. There's. A. Cure.

yup, the more it spreads the more most people will choose to hunker down and the slower the affected parts of the economy will get until the virus burns itself out on the people that won't take precautions. Sadly that process could take a long time to play out if a highly effective vaccine does not appear. If you look at the national data, we are at 40K cases/day and 750  deaths/day and the downward trajectory on those numbers is so shallow that nothing is going to change any time soon.

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Looks like the overall reaction among the red hats is starting to gel, something along the lines of, hey, if the president can get it, it can affect anyone, and obviously there’s nothing we can do to stop it, so might as well just live life and let the chips fall where they may.

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37 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Looks like the overall reaction among the red hats is starting to gel, something along the lines of, hey, if the president can get it, it can affect anyone, and obviously there’s nothing we can do to stop it, so might as well just live life and let the chips fall where they may.

interestingly, if you listened to Schissel over summer when UM was planning for Fall,  a substantial part of the reason they say they decided to reopen with students here and some live classes  was the view that this could be here a long time and we might as well work through learning how to regain as much function as possible in the face of it. So there is some similarity in the first part of what you are describing - the 'we can't stop it part'. The difference comes in the 'let the chips fall' part. which is an uninformed, fatalistic, passive and frankly un-American view, as opposed to 'lets develop the tools, habits, and disciplines to keep it under control, while neither accepting high fatalities nor living in hiding"

But still, both views do have in common that they come from the 'show must go on' direction as opposed to the 'hunker down and wait until we have a cure' side.

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8 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

interestingly, if you listened to Schissel over summer when UM was planning for Fall,  a substantial part of the reason they say they decided to reopen with students here and some live classes  was the view that this could be here a long time and we might as well work through learning how to regain as much function as possible in the face of it. So there is some similarity in the first part of what you are describing - the 'we can't stop it part'. The difference comes in the 'let the chips fall' part. which is an uninformed, fatalistic, passive and frankly un-American view, as opposed to 'lets develop the tools, habits, and disciplines to keep it under control, while neither accepting high fatalities nor living in hiding"

But still, both views do have in common that they come from the 'show must go on' direction as opposed to the 'hunker down and wait until we have a cure' side.

It seems to me that it all comes down to: this is America, I’m free, I can do anything I want, you can’t stop me, I’m going to prove it to you, and how do you like that?

I don’t think it’s a generational thing. I think it’s in America’s DNA. The whole country was founded on the idea of being free from people stopping you from doing anything you want.

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Just a random thought. I think it it hadn’t been found out /leaked that Hope Hicks tested positive and had symptoms, they would have hid the facts (or straight out lied about) every other positive case that subsequently has been identified... including the President.

So, standing O to whomever threw that first pitch. 👏

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6 hours ago, chasfh said:

It seems to me that it all comes down to: this is America, I’m free, I can do anything I want, you can’t stop me, I’m going to prove it to you, and how do you like that?

I don’t think it’s a generational thing. I think it’s in America’s DNA. The whole country was founded on the idea of being free from people stopping you from doing anything you want.

I'm not sure I agree with that Chas. I don't think libertinism was historically a part of America's DNA, which after all was Puritan and Pilgrim and Gary Cooper strong silent type work ethic Protestant. I'd grant there has been more  trend toward that but that  it is more modern - mostly since the 1960's. We were a pretty button down society for most of history before that. Maybe what is different is that in the first 150 yrs of the country's history a person who felt overly constrained by society could just go all Jeremiah Johnson and move out to the frontier were he could live without impacting anyone else. So sure, that ethos has a history in the US but I would say the idea that it was ever the dominant ethos in US society is a relatively modern recasting of invented history as myth. Even in their day the cowboys were a tiny fraction of America no matter how much today's later day libertines want to claim them.

Generationally I think this is also ascribed to Boomers mostly, but again, the Boomers were never as monolithic as either critics or fans claim.

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Our quarantine Oktoberfest was a lot of fun.  Bigger than planned since once our kids got wind, they wanted to come too. (All but one is working from home, so they are pretty stir crazy.).   So we sat on the patio, drank Riesling or beer, grilled brats, sang along to polka music and did the chicken dance.   It was fun being around the kids and watching the dogs (five in all) play in the yard.  DIL had some cute decorations made.  Finally gave my son-in-law his birthday gift from last March, which is the last time we saw them in person.

Probably won't see them for Thanksgiving this year as my oldest daughter and her husband have a must attend wedding in November for his family, so their plan is to self-isolate again for a couple of weeks after it is over to avoid infecting us, just in case.  

Strange year, but we are rolling with it.  

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So there are three senators so far positive for Covid?   Not looking good for ACB confirmation.  

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If Pence becomes acting president but Trump is still alive does he still retain ability to break ties?  And God forbid he becomes more than acting how are ties broken with no current VP?  I assume the House wouldn’t confirm a new VP. I guess with no VP then ties are ties. 

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4 hours ago, smr-nj said:

Just a random thought. I think it it hadn’t been found out /leaked that Hope Hicks tested positive and had symptoms, they would have hid the facts (or straight out lied about) every other positive case that subsequently has been identified... including the President.

So, standing O to whomever threw that first pitch. 👏

Jennifer Jacobs, Bloomberg News

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6 minutes ago, Oblong said:

If Pence becomes acting president but Trump is still alive does he still retain ability to break ties?  And God forbid he becomes more than acting how are ties broken with no current VP?  I assume the House wouldn’t confirm a new VP. I guess with no VP then ties are ties. 

Ties means a motion fails, including if Pence assumes the Presidency

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11 minutes ago, Oblong said:

If Pence becomes acting president but Trump is still alive does he still retain ability to break ties?  And God forbid he becomes more than acting how are ties broken with no current VP?  I assume the House wouldn’t confirm a new VP. I guess with no VP then ties are ties. 

that is an interesting one. I would think that if the VP is acting but the Pres is still alive and only  temporarily incapacitated, that the VP remains President of the Senate in addition to the added duties.  There is no provision I know of for putting people into temporary roles behind the VP, only for the Pres.

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GOP has done this to themselves via their whistling past the graveyard.  Simple safety precautions not taken because of bravado has undermined the party.   Will they learn anything from it?  Doubtful.  

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14 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

that is an interesting one. I would think that if the VP is acting but the Pres is still alive and only  temporarily incapacitated, that the VP remains President of the Senate in addition to the added duties.  There is no provision I know of for putting people into temporary roles behind the VP, only for the Pres.

This is what I assume. Part of the 25th Amendment was to distinguish between when the VP is acting president and actually becomes president.

But, if Trump does die there will be no VP until January. I can't imagine the House would be in any hurry to vote.

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14 minutes ago, Melody said:

GOP has done this to themselves via their whistling past the graveyard.  Simple safety precautions not taken because of bravado has undermined the party.   Will they learn anything from it?  Doubtful.  

I'll go as far to day that the party (starting with its standard bearer) would be in strong position to retain the Presidency had they taken this seriously.

This isn't a time to joke, I don't suffer the people who wish him harm (goes against my faith)... but the decision to signal against responsibility with this virus isn't just a political mistake anymore... it's put his very life at some risk.

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29 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I'll go as far to day that the party (starting with its standard bearer) would be in strong position to retain the Presidency had they taken this seriously.

This isn't a time to joke, I don't suffer the people who wish him harm (goes against my faith)... but the decision to signal against responsibility with this virus isn't just a political mistake anymore... it's put his very life at some risk.

yeah - the most benevolent yet profitable outcome for the country is that it takes him another 30 days to begin to fully recover......¬¬

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10 minutes ago, Melody said:

Interesting discussion of the confirmation issues via SCOTUSblog.  They don’t seem to think that if the 25th is invoked to elevate Pence, he retains his tie breaking vote. https:/Image/www.scotusblog.com/2020/10/covid-19-outbreak-in-gop-caucus-complicates-barrett-confirmation/

That last clause makes it interesting. So when that was written under what circumstance would the VP exercise the office Pres other than that the Pres had died and he had assumed the office of president? I can already see another Scotus disagreement between Gorsuch and Alito over 'textualism'  xD

 

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26 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - the most benevolent yet profitable outcome for the country is that it takes him another 30 days to begin to fully recover......¬¬

Whatever happens at this point happens... it's in God's hands.

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He’s been released.

no he’s not. 

Just out to wave to the crowd. 

Back at Walter reed.

 

He is ******* insane, and they’re allowing it. Safety be damned

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