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46 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

So, yeah, the lie about kids not getting it is disturbing. Very.

But it looks like nobody even blinks anymore when he dismisses the deaths of “it’s mostly old people with existing conditions”.

Like they don’t matter. Like big deal if they die. Like we should assume they should die. 

Nobody. Says. Anything.... as a response to THOSE utterances.

So, yeah. He’s convinced everyone that they don’t matter. I don’t matter. You don’t matter..... oops... I mean you don’t matter if you’re “old” and/or have pre-existing conditions. Or come from blue states. 

Everyone has now bought into it.

The pro life party is all ok with this

You know... the ones who went on and on about Netflix and the "cuties" movie, yet are ok voting and supporting a guy who ran and owned the Miss Teen USA pageant.  The Catholics who shame other catholics to the point of saying they aren't catholic for not being 100% against abortion yet don't say **** when it comes to the death penalty?

**** all of them.  The right wing Christians have done more harm for religion than any athiests have ever done.

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3 minutes ago, Oblong said:

and Fauci slapping down Rand  Paul again... 

 

He’s had enough of Rand’s ****

 

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I completely agree with Fauci and applaud anyone who slaps Rand like that. 

But NY's Pos% is definitely much higher than 22. Until everyone receives a trustworthy antibody test, we have no idea. It's probably twice that, at least. 

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I saw a couple of studies that said 20-25%.  They  sampled 1M people in the NYC region.

 

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I just learned that under the Voting Rights Act, no one can be denied access to a polling place because they are not wearing a mask.   They can ask them and provide a mask, but not force them to wear it.   

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I have no problem with that I guess.... voting, like protesting, is a right and the preservation of that right is important.

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3 hours ago, Yoda said:

I completely agree with Fauci and applaud anyone who slaps Rand like that. 

But NY's Pos% is definitely much higher than 22. Until everyone receives a trustworthy antibody test, we have no idea. It's probably twice that, at least. 

and it's more complex then even that. Antibodies fade relatively quickly. If you had this in March you may well not show much antibody titer now, but you will have T cell memory of the virus. Testing to evaluate that is more complex, more expensive and not likely to be available to be done on a large scale any time soon.

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Just now, Gehringer_2 said:

and it's more complex then even that. Antibodies fade relatively quickly. If you had this in March you may well not show much antibody titer now, but you will have T cell memory of the virus. Testing to evaluation that is more complex, more expensive and not likely to be available to be done on a large scale any time soon.

I don’t really see what purpose it would serve either. Even if it could be done accurately, the associated cost and logistics and effort put toward it would seem to be much better spent on monitoring and tracking new infections. 
 

It’s not like they could determine some number and the. Say “we hit herd immunity” any time soon. And if that was the case, we’d already know and/or be ok because the virus wouldn’t be spreading at a significant rate anymore. 

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8 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

 

It cruel to laugh at people in distress, but these were all people smart enough to have known better.

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11 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I don’t really see what purpose it would serve either. Even if it could be done accurately, the associated cost and logistics and effort put toward it would seem to be much better spent on monitoring and tracking new infections. 
 

It’s not like they could determine some number and the. Say “we hit herd immunity” any time soon. And if that was the case, we’d already know and/or be ok because the virus wouldn’t be spreading at a significant rate anymore. 

It's important  information to have at some point to try and better understand the science, but  sure, as public health strategy there are other things  with more immediate benefit to be pursued. 

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3 hours ago, Oblong said:

I saw a couple of studies that said 20-25%.  They  sampled 1M people in the NYC region.

 

Sampled in what way? What's the accuracy of the tests?

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37 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Sampled in what way? What's the accuracy of the tests?

What are you getting at here? I think if Fauci is saying that the estimate is around 20-25% of NY infected, he’s probably basing it on something credible. 
 

what are you basing your opinion on?

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2 hours ago, Yoda said:

Sampled in what way? What's the accuracy of the tests?

What's the accuracy of your tests?  

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2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

What's the accuracy of your tests?  

this is always a good point. We have seen in Ann Arbor a lot of agitation for more testing, more testing, but the positive rate in the community is already so low that more testing is going to start generating as many false positives as real positives, and at that point things get counter productive.

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6 hours ago, Shelton said:

It’s not like they could determine some number and the. Say “we hit herd immunity” any time soon. And if that was the case, we’d already know and/or be ok because the virus wouldn’t be spreading at a significant rate anymore. 

While likely those that got it once will have significant protection against it, at least for some time period, we don't even know about that either.  For all we know, we deal with this all through the Winter and start hearing about a significant amount of the early covid population getting sick again.

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

While likely those that got it once will have significant protection against it, at least for some time period, we don't even know about that either.  For all we know, we deal with this all through the Winter and start hearing about a significant amount of the early covid population getting sick again.

Sure. Who knows. All the more reason to not give a **** right now how many have had it since March.

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2 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

this is always a good point. We have seen in Ann Arbor a lot of agitation for more testing, more testing, but the positive rate in the community is already so low that more testing is going to start generating as many false positives as real positives, and at that point things get counter productive.

I don’t think it’s counter productive if you happen to isolate some false positives in addition to real positives. 

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I get it. Data collection and analysis is important. But it’s just as important to reduce the spread, and increased testing does that. 

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