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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

At least show me the 'science' that says there is no way to make movie theaters safe, but sending 18-22 year olds off to school is perfectly fine. 

You see the wrong answer here because you are working from the wrong premise. The issue is never risk in a vacuum, it  is always risk vs need. Students need to be in school a lot more than people need to be in theatres. The key is get R1 down to less than one *overall*. You don't need to stop everything, but you need to choose which things are more needful to do while keeping overall spread at controllable rate. You can argue about the particular wisdom of opening schools, but not because there is any meaningful comparison to movie theatres.

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10 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

You see the wrong answer here because you are working from the wrong premise. The issue is never risk in a vacuum, it  is always risk vs need. Students need to be in school a lot more than people need to be in theatres. The key is get R1 down to less than one *overall*. You don't need to stop everything, but you need to choose which things are more needful to do while keeping overall spread at controllable rate. You can argue about the particular wisdom of opening schools, but not because there is any meaningful comparison to movie theatres.

Well, i'd argue 'controllable rate' is ever changing, at least in terms of how it's been defined by Whitmer.  Initially shut everything down was to control healthcare capacity, then it was to go further to get to the point of contact tracing.  Now apparently it's all based on need vs risk.

I understand saying it's apples to oranges, but at the same time it's a mixed message.  People also need to feel normalcy, people also need to be employed.  If you can tell me restaurants, casino's, and colleges are fine, then you obviously can't defend her actions preventing movie theatres, hence why you're not attacking my argument there, but sidestepping it and pointing out the apples vs oranges argument.

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25 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

You see the wrong answer here because you are working from the wrong premise. The issue is never risk in a vacuum, it  is always risk vs need. Students need to be in school a lot more than people need to be in theatres. The key is get R1 down to less than one *overall*. You don't need to stop everything, but you need to choose which things are more needful to do while keeping overall spread at controllable rate. You can argue about the particular wisdom of opening schools, but not because there is any meaningful comparison to movie theatres.

right.... you have to pick and choose which bullets you are willing to risk firing.   It's the choices we all have to make individually.  We do group workouts with friends outdoors.  I only run with one other person besides my wife.  My wife runs with one of 2 other people.  But we don't go eat inside anywhere.  We won't go to a bar.   We pick running/working out as "our risky thing".  

And to be honest movie theaters are a dying industry anyway.  Better to shift that "risk" to restaurants that are struggling but wouldn't be in normal times.

 

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I can’t tell you the last time I went to a theatre. I can wait the few months for it to come to my 60 inch screen. There is nobody around me having a conversation or reading their phone. No crackling of candy wrappers. Popcorn is fresh and tastes better.

And I can pause it if I have to head to the John. Plus there is no line

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Pretty sure the only movies I've seen in the theaters the last 5 years have been the Star Wars movies.  

 

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4 minutes ago, Oblong said:

right.... you have to pick and choose which bullets you are willing to risk firing.   It's the choices we all have to make individually.  We do group workouts with friends outdoors.  I only run with one other person besides my wife.  My wife runs with one of 2 other people.  But we don't go eat inside anywhere.  We won't go to a bar.   We pick running/working out as "our risky thing".  

And to be honest movie theaters are a dying industry anyway.  Better to shift that "risk" to restaurants that are struggling but wouldn't be in normal times.

 

But you can go inside to eat, you can go to a bar.  You have that choice and you are free to decide it's not worth the risk as well.  You obviously don't believe it's safe to do those things, but you're alright with our governor allowing it.  You're also alright with her picking and choosing which industries deserve to survive.  I don't understand that.  

If the science pointed towards contact related spreading still, then I'd understand it. 

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the science does point towards contact related spreading....

how else do you think people get it? From being in contact with others that have it.

 

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37 minutes ago, Oblong said:

the science does point towards contact related spreading....

how else do you think people get it? From being in contact with others that have it.

 

Surface contact is what I meant.  Evidence is pointing towards airborne is the main issue.  With that, I can't go to a movie theatre, wear a mask and be socially distanced.  But I can meet up friends at a restaurant and once I get to the table, I can remove my mask and spend an hour with several other folks less than 6 feet away.

If you're telling me that there is science showing that movie theatre (which apparently no one goes to) is somehow going to spike us over the curve, than i'll stop mentioning it.  In fact, that's all i'm asking Whitmer to do, show me the calculations she's making based on the science rather than just using it as a rallying cry to help prevent anyone from tackling her emergency powers head on.

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11 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

rather than just using it as a rallying cry to help prevent anyone from tackling her emergency powers head on.

I’m thinking perhaps it’s not a ploy to keep powers , but to keep the infection rate as low as possible, within reason, while waiting for better treatment and a viable vaccine that can be distributed.

What do you think these “powers” do for her personally? Nobody likes having to do / not do all the things we used to, and anyone making the decision to curtail heretofore “normal” things surely isn’t making anyone happy.

So, is the idea that no elected official should do anything?  

I’m not seeing how that helps, most especially in states that have densely populated areas.

 I don’t envy any of them currently trying to stick the proverbial finger in the dike. 

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12 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

I’m thinking perhaps it’s not a ploy to keep powers , but to keep the infection rate as low as possible, within reason, while waiting for better treatment and a viable vaccine that can be distributed.

What do you think these “powers” do for her personally? Nobody likes having to do / not do all the things we used to, and anyone making the decision to curtail heretofore “normal” things surely isn’t making anyone happy.

So, is the idea that no elected official should do anything?  

I’m not seeing how that helps, most especially in states that have densely populated areas.

 I don’t envy any of them currently trying to stick the proverbial finger in the dike. 

Opening up restaurants, casinos, encouraging BLM protests, and deferring to school districts on reopening (same thing Democrats have correctly complained about Trump deferring to governors on many Covid related issues) are all things that point to the fact that it is not about keeping infection rate as low as possible, but rather some type of balance.   And i'm fine with that, I just want to understand what it's being balanced against and tired of hearing 'based on Science' as her response.

My cynical view, these 'powers' kept focus on her, especially as she was on Biden's short list, allowing her name to become more nationally known.  For a more practical view, these powers give her much more ability to quickly deal with changes in how to deal with Covid, but it also expands the governors power and how future administrations will use it, including republicans.  At some point, the governor and the legislation should work together (kind of the point of our government) so a never ending emergency declaration or one that can just be extended whenever she wishes, doesn't sound all the democratic.  Even emergency managers, which democrats hate (at least when a republican is in charge), have set goals in place which would lead to their removal.

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I haven’t heard from a single person that actually wants movie theaters open. 
 

I think that is worth considering. 
 

Restaurants and bars and gyms have been in high demand by the people that really want to go out. 
 

Schools are a completely different thing. 
 

Movie theaters are just so far down the line of societal importance, it’s hard to justify a reason for opening them. Especially because it inherently requires people to stay indoors for a matter of hours. You also bring yourself into generally close indoor contact with a bunch of strangers. That’s different than going to a restaurant and eating with people you know. 
 

I also don’t think casinos should be open, and there isn’t a good reason for them to be open aside from the tax revenue it generates. And I don’t think it’s overly cynical to acknowledge that. The state does need money, after all. And I do think it’s easier to make a casino safe than a movie theater. 
 

Regardless, back to my original point, the only people that seem concerned with movie theaters still be closed (outside of theater owners) appear to be people that are looking for a reason to point out some sort of inconsistency on Whitaker’s part. 
 

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1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Opening up restaurants, casinos, encouraging BLM protests, and deferring to school districts on reopening (same thing Democrats have correctly complained about Trump deferring to governors on many Covid related issues) are all things that point to the fact that it is not about keeping infection rate as low as possible, but rather some type of balance.   And i'm fine with that, I just want to understand what it's being balanced against and tired of hearing 'based on Science' as her response.

My cynical view, these 'powers' kept focus on her, especially as she was on Biden's short list, allowing her name to become more nationally known.  For a more practical view, these powers give her much more ability to quickly deal with changes in how to deal with Covid, but it also expands the governors power and how future administrations will use it, including republicans.  At some point, the governor and the legislation should work together (kind of the point of our government) so a never ending emergency declaration or one that can just be extended whenever she wishes, doesn't sound all the democratic.  Even emergency managers, which democrats hate (at least when a republican is in charge), have set goals in place which would lead to their removal.

It's very difficult for Democrats to work together with people who do not operate in good faith.

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Just now, Shelton said:

I haven’t heard from a single person that actually wants movie theaters open. 
 

I think that is worth considering. 
 

I'm gonna pull the small sample size card here. I've had a lot of people wanting them open. 

It helps that our theater here has big chairs and the aisles are spread apart. It would be easy to keep everyone 6 feet apart. With masks, that would be entirely safe. 

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people willl take them off as soon as the movie starts.  They want to eat.  And if you ban eating and drinking then there's no reason to be open as that's where they make their money.

and at a reduced capacity would it even be economically viable?  Are there movies being released right now?

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2 minutes ago, Oblong said:

people willl take them off as soon as the movie starts.  They want to eat.  And if you ban eating and drinking then there's no reason to be open as that's where they make their money.

and at a reduced capacity would it even be economically viable?  Are there movies being released right now?

I think Tenet is the first one back in theaters

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17 minutes ago, Yoda said:

I'm gonna pull the small sample size card here. I've had a lot of people wanting them open. 

It helps that our theater here has big chairs and the aisles are spread apart. It would be easy to keep everyone 6 feet apart. With masks, that would be entirely safe. 

Fair enough. I didn’t mean to imply that no one wants them open. Obviously there are some people that love going to the movie theater. 
 

I just think it pales in comparison (from a demand standpoint and putting aside which one may or may not be safer) to things like restaurants and bars.

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@Yoda

I do wonder how easy it would be to safely open a movie theater. I think the ventilation system would be an important part. I’m guessing some are better than others. 
 

But I also wonder how easy it would be to keep people far enough apart. Are you going to make it so there are only little islands or seats made available for sale, and require an entire bundle to be bought together? I could see assigning a few single seats spaced apart from a bunch of pairs of seats and then some triples. I think it could be done, but I also think you end up severely limiting the number of people that can fit into a given theater doing this, especially because most theaters these days have the extra large seats (because fewer people go to the movies these days). I wonder how profitable it can be if capacity is limited so much as to remain “safe.”

 

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59 minutes ago, pfife said:

It's very difficult for Democrats to work together with people who do not operate in good faith.

So if i'm reading this right you're saying 'principles be damned, do whatever is needed to get what you feel is necessary.'   

Odd, seems like I have a complaint with another 'politician' that feels this way.  Yet I seem to have support on this board when I complain about it with him.

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52 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I just assumed that's what happened.  Someone with authority who's a real scientist put it on there, then a politician got wind of it, took it down, and people are getting yelled at now.

 

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Regarding Whitmer and her “power grabs”...  that doesn’t make sense. The easiest thing to do would be to open if all up and just claim ignorance and “it is what it is”.  It’s not like she’s catering to a particular constituency. There’s no group out there demanding that theaters be closed and gyms capped at 25%.  There’s not a lobby for that. They are making difficult decisions and that’s what leaders do.  Not pandering. 

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2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

So if i'm reading this right you're saying 'principles be damned, do whatever is needed to get what you feel is necessary.'   

Odd, seems like I have a complaint with another 'politician' that feels this way.  Yet I seem to have support on this board when I complain about it with him.

The clear implication of what I said would be that those who aren't acting in good faith just change and then act in good faith.

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

Regarding Whitmer and her “power grabs”...  that doesn’t make sense. The easiest thing to do would be to open if all up and just claim ignorance and “it is what it is”.  It’s not like she’s catering to a particular constituency. There’s no group out there demanding that theaters be closed and gyms capped at 25%.  There’s not a lobby for that. They are making difficult decisions and that’s what leaders do.  Not pandering. 

Show me the science

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