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4 hours ago, Melody said:

... I suppose her parents might have done so if there was concern about possibly being forced to register for a draft in both countries.  

A draft in Canada?  No.

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33 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

A draft in Canada?  No.

During both world wars, they did have a draft in Canada.  I had no idea at the time of the time frame we were talking about, and alluded to that in the sentence following.  In any event, it was one of the reasons I could think of that parents would pay a fee and file to renounce citizenship for their Canadian born minor children. Otherwise it would be unlikely they bothered.  And that appears to be the case here.

Looks to me like he already is a Canadian citizen, just needs to apply for the certificate.  Appears to mostly just require his birth certificate and his mother's plus a form, a fee, and a photo.  Doesn't seem too complicated.

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6 minutes ago, Melody said:

During both world wars, they did have a draft in Canada.  I had no idea at the time of the time frame we were talking about, and alluded to that in the sentence following.  In any event, it was one of the reasons I could think of that parents would pay a fee and file to renounce citizenship for their Canadian born minor children. Otherwise it would be unlikely they bothered.  And that appears to be the case here.

Looks to me like he already is a Canadian citizen, just needs to apply for the certificate.  Appears to mostly just require his birth certificate and his mother's plus a form, a fee, and a photo.  Doesn't seem too complicated.

Good try, but you were talking about reasons why Shelton's mom would give up her citizenship, not the world wars.  Thanks for the Canadian history lesson though.

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35 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

Good try, but you were talking about reasons why Shelton's mom would give up her citizenship, not the world wars.  Thanks for the Canadian history lesson though.

No I wasn't.  Is your reading comprehension deficient?   The discussion was over why his GRANDPARENTS would surrender their children's citizenship.  A little kid doesn't make these decisions.  Geez.  His mom was a child, for Pete's sake.

 

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I would think it is more productive to Shelton to comment on the matter than speculate on the reasons for his mother renouncing her citizenship.  That written, I tend to doubt his maternal grandparents renounced her citizenship out of fear *she* would get drafted in Canada but somehow not be concerned over her being drafted in the US enough to prevent the move here.  Would seem a strange rationale on the surface.

Also, he just said she was a kid, but it is possible he meant when she renounced when she was 18 to 20 or something.

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38 minutes ago, Melody said:

No I wasn't.  Is your reading comprehension deficient?   The discussion was over why his GRANDPARENTS would surrender their children's citizenship.  A little kid doesn't make these decisions.  Geez.  His mom was a child, for Pete's sake.

 

A child born in the mid 1920's?  In order for a military draft in Canada in WW2 to have significance?  I guess his Mom could be 95 today.  I wouldn't have thought so.

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On the topic of the world wars, my grandmother was on track to make the Canadian Olympic team in figure skating but the olympics were canceled. 

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I wish I could share more with y’all, but my grandparents are dead and my mom and her siblings were pre-teens. So whatever reasoning may have been in place in 1964 is probably lost at this point. 
 

I feel fairly confident being drafted into the Canadian military was not a concern at the time. My grandfather was a pilot for the RCAF during the war, though. He didn’t like to talk about it. 

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3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

How do you guys feel about the gyms opening up? I have really missed going since they closed cause I don't have a weight set or elliptical at home which are the things I use the most.   I'm really anxious to go back but at the same time apprehensive about it.

Are or have any of you guys gone back to the gym?

Nope. I was already a little skeeved about going to the gym even before COVID. I would go only because they have things I don’t have at home. Gyms are practically the last place I will feel comfortable stepping foot back in.

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23 minutes ago, Shelton said:

On the topic of the world wars, my grandmother was on track to make the Canadian Olympic team in figure skating but the olympics were canceled. 

MTS needs a wow reaction.

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University of Michigan people are getting pretty pissed. 

the off-campus urgent care near my house  had a ridiculous line outside the other day. 

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48 minutes ago, Shelton said:

University of Michigan people are getting pretty pissed. 

the off-campus urgent care near my house  had a ridiculous line outside the other day. 

Context?

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27 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Context?

All the groups striking. The quarantine housing revelations. 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I would think it is more productive to Shelton to comment on the matter than speculate on the reasons for his mother renouncing her citizenship.  That written, I tend to doubt his maternal grandparents renounced her citizenship out of fear *she* would get drafted in Canada but somehow not be concerned over her being drafted in the US enough to prevent the move here.  Would seem a strange rationale on the surface.

Also, he just said she was a kid, but it is possible he meant when she renounced when she was 18 to 20 or something.

Nah. Liston is just being a jerk.   I gave it as just an example of the type of motivation necessary for most people to go through the extra bureaucracy and expense to renounce citizenship.  And as it turns out, they probably did not renounce his mother’s citizenship.  She was a kid and didn’t know all the details.  Not uncommon or surprising.   While I am not necessarily a fan of dual citizenship, at the same time I am excited about Shelton’s possible opportunity to reclaim his ancestral heritage.  Hope it works out for him.

In my generation, the parents of my friends born in Germany were doing the same as soon as the Vietnam draft was discontinued to avoid their sons having to do the mandatory two year service in the German military required of all males.  And usually if filing for one kid, they did them all.  Oddly, most of the guys I knew whose parents did this later enlisted and served in the US military, like their dads. 
 

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7 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

How do you guys feel about the gyms opening up? I have really missed going since they closed cause I don't have a weight set or elliptical at home which are the things I use the most.   I'm really anxious to go back but at the same time apprehensive about it.

Are or have any of you guys gone back to the gym?

My husband has returned to his gym, but it is a special gym with emphasis on elders and disabled.  They don’t yet have the group classes but he does work with his private trainer. Nobody else there when he is. He and trainer both masked, and they sanitize the equipment between appointments.

Daughter is a weight lifter and back at her gym.  She goes early in the morning when almost nobody else there.  Masked.  If for some reason there are too many others there, or jerks eschewing masks, she leaves.  But most of the time not an issue in the early morning at her gym.

Edit.  Both of these are smaller, privately owned gyms.  The national chains may be different.

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41 minutes ago, Melody said:

Nah. Liston is just being a jerk.   I gave it as just an example of the type of motivation necessary for most people to go through the extra bureaucracy and expense to renounce citizenship.  And as it turns out, they probably did not renounce his mother’s citizenship.  She was a kid and didn’t know all the details.  Not uncommon or surprising.   While I am not necessarily a fan of dual citizenship, at the same time I am excited about Shelton’s possible opportunity to reclaim his ancestral heritage.  Hope it works out for him.

In my generation, the parents of my friends born in Germany were doing the same as soon as the Vietnam draft was discontinued to avoid their sons having to do the mandatory two year service in the German military required of all males.  And usually if filing for one kid, they did them all.  Oddly, most of the guys I knew whose parents did this later enlisted and served in the US military, like their dads. 
 

I think the bottom line on this is that the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship of US citizens per se, but the US has no authority to prevent another nation from granting citizenship to some one who happens to be a US citizen as well. The US can make it a crime to not to relinquish any other passport before you get one from the US-DOS,  but that is about it.

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10 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I think the bottom line on this is that the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship of US citizens per se, but the US has no authority to prevent another nation from granting citizenship to some one who happens to be a US citizen as well. The US can make it a crime to not to relinquish any other passport before you get one from the US-DOS,  but that is about it.

Good Lord, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.  Dual citizenship is not against the law in the United States.  And this is not a case of another country granting citizenship.  It appears that Shelton is ALREADY a Canadian citizen according to Canadian law by virtue of his Canadian born mother, presuming that her parents did not relinquish citizenship on her behalf (which appears unlikely).  He only seeks a certificate from their government proving what already exists.  I think that is cool.  If Canada and the U.S. decide to go to war, then maybe some changes need to be made.  But I personally am not worried about it.

More worried about the Russian and Chinese pregnancy tourism babies, frankly.

 

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

All the groups striking. The quarantine housing revelations. 

what has been revealed about quarantine housing?

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29 minutes ago, Melody said:

Good Lord, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.  Dual citizenship is not against the law in the United States.  And this is not a case of another country granting citizenship.  It appears that Shelton is ALREADY a Canadian citizen according to Canadian law by virtue of his Canadian born mother, presuming that her parents did not relinquish citizenship on her behalf (which appears unlikely).  He only seeks a certificate from their government proving what already exists.  I think that is cool.  If Canada and the U.S. decide to go to war, then maybe some changes need to be made.  But I personally am not worried about it.

More worried about the Russian and Chinese pregnancy tourism babies, frankly.

 

It goes to the way the US treats the issue. Some of my SO's family were born as US citizens and  were then 'taken' to Canada as minors and adopted by their Canadian side parent, making them Canadian citizens. In the eyes of the US that effectively voided their US citizenship.  When they reached 18 they did not become US citizens unless they explicitly came back and claimed it (as some did while others didn't) which from the standpoint of the US government meant "renouncing" their Canadian citizenship, even if the Canadian government does not see it that way and would maintain their rights if they returned. I do not think the same would  be true in the opposite direction. Once they claimed Canadian citizenship as adults they had no immediate right to reclaim their US.

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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

It goes the the way the US treats the issue. Some of my SO's family were born as US citizens and  were then 'taken' to Canada as minors and adopted by their Canadian side parent, making them Canadian citizens. In the eyes of the US that voided their US citizenship.  When they reached 18 they did not become US citizens unless they explicitly came back and claimed it (as some did while others didn't) which from the standpoint of the US government meant "renouncing" their Canadian citizenship even if the Canadian government does not see it that way and would maintain their rights if they returned. The same would not be true in the opposite direction.

Not sure how that currently works on the Canadian side.  But I do know that foreign born adoptees in the U.S. have to also be naturalized as U.S. citizens.  Usually done at the time of adoption, though American parents some choose not to.  I've only seen it in the case where there was a Canadian birth parent married to a U.S. citizen who chose to allow the American step parent to adopt, but for whatever reason didn't want to concurrently apply for U.S. citizenship for the child.

I've never heard of a situation requiring "renouncing," of citizenship to  remain a U.S. citizen.  At least not in this century.  Happened across some WWI era files that included a statement to the effect but these were relative to countries with which we were at war and the renouncing statement was specific to the then leader not the country.  Never did pursue that because as it turned out, these were not the family I was looking for.

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2 hours ago, Shelton said:

All the groups striking. The quarantine housing revelations. 

I guess my sympathies are a bit limited on some of this. The U did not require any student to come back to A^2. Did anyone who did come back think that by magic the U could provide them some kind of absolute protection unavailable anywhere else in the world? (well, outside the NBA) Could anyone take an RA job without accepting that there would be an inherent level of risk? Did anyone seriously believe they could be at zero risk from living in a building among other students? That there would be no local cases? The U was perfectly clear from early in the summer that the resources did not exist to test everyone all the time (i.e asymptomatics). Anyone who was paying attention should have known the score on that and could have made their decisions about returning to the local community accordingly.

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8 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

what has been revealed about quarantine housing?

I’ll see if I can find some of the videos I saw posted. The kids be on tik tok.

In short, it appears that no effort was made to make any of the people forced to stay there comfortable. No bedding. No microwave. No hot food. I think it is basically like moving into your dorm room from scratch. Apparently they provided a single roll of toilet paper. 

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7 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I guess my sympathies are a bit limited on some of this. The U did not require any student to come back to A^2. Did anyone who did come back think that by magic the U could provide them some kind of absolute protection unavailable anywhere else in the world? (well, outside the NBA) Could anyone take an RA job without accepting that there would be an inherent level of risk? Did anyone seriously believe they could be at zero risk from living in a building among other students? That there would be no local cases? The U was perfectly clear from early in the summer that the resources did not exist to test everyone all the time (i.e asymptomatics). Anyone who was paying attention should have known the score on that and could have made their decisions about returning to the local community accordingly.

Then they shouldn’t even be open. I don’t think it’s fair to blame the macro campus population for availing themselves of the opportunity provided by the university. If you weren’t ready to make it safe enough, don’t open. 
 

This reminds me of the Florida and Texas governors months ago that kept everything open. They deserved blame for that and the U should be held just as accountable. 
 

I agree that it’s not reasonable to expect perfection, but it sounds like they are not even competent. 

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

Then they shouldn’t even be open. 

The question is whether you have a discontented but vocal minority driving all the public perception.

I notice that one number I absolutely cannot find is the raw GEO vote. I'm curious if like rest of America, elections are decided there by well less than any actual majority. Granted COE is not at all a representative sample of GSIs (I would guess more of ours are short term MS students) but at least in the undergrad program ours appear to be working. Of course with so many remote classes even that may not be obvious immediately.

TBH, I have been surprised at the level of compliance we are seeing in our student body. Washtenaw county has been a clear outlier among places with student populations in the state. So far most of our students are making the effort to make this work. Whether it's sustainable is anyone's guess. Cases are still creeping up even if slowly.

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Got an alert that the Oxford trial has resumed. That’s good news. 

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