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12 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

That happens each week in New York. Has for decades. 

Yeah but trump burial pits sound better. It’s trump derangement syndrome

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51 minutes ago, pfife said:

WHy would socialists plot to remove the single most socialist president we've ever had?

If he is so socialist and you are a socialist what’s the problem?

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16 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

You mean the president that raised middle class hourly wages to $7.43 an hour in 1996 from $7.41 in 1992 when he raised the top tax rate? Yes, I remember that. The only time wages grew during his presidency is when he finally decided to decrease the capital gains tax. Which should, incidentally, be on the table right now. I'd be all for a 5-10% rate for a period of years on long term gains, or even a holiday on capital gains taxes for the remainder of 2020. 

So wage growth is the only indicator and GDP, Jobs, and the Stock Market don’t matter.  Interesting.  I’ll remember that the next time you use any to prop up your boy Donnie.   

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I had to go pick up a prescription today and dutifully donned a mask for the first time.  Just a washable cloth one.  I understand why so many people are wearing them under their noses (which essentially renders them useless).

They fog up your glasses.    

The N95 I wore last summer for painting and sanding, etc. fit more tightly so it was less a problem.  But those suckers are uncomfortable and hard to breathe through.  

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5 minutes ago, Melody said:

I had to go pick up a prescription today and dutifully donned a mask for the first time.  Just a washable cloth one.  I understand why so many people are wearing them under their noses (which essentially renders them useless).

They fog up your glasses.    

The N95 I wore last summer for painting and sanding, etc. fit more tightly so it was less a problem.  But those suckers are uncomfortable and hard to breathe through.  

Most people don't wear masks properly anyway. It really makes them useless. Touching their faces to constantly adjust the mask, taking it off or putting it on incorrectly or, like you said, wearing it under their nose. Whenever you put it on or take it off, never touch the inside of the mask. Many people do. And mask or no mask? Go wash your hands..lol

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34 minutes ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

If he is so socialist and you are a socialist what’s the problem?

The problem is Trump is a sociopath socialist.  

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34 minutes ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

Oh so we are #ing words. #theeconmyisreopeninngsoon

The people will decide how much it opens.  

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33 minutes ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

Yeah but trump burial pits sound better. It’s trump derangement syndrome

So, you and Stan both agree that Trump is deranged.  We are making progress here.  

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5 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

The people will decide how much it opens.  

I agree with you on this. There will come a time where people will have had enough, open their businesses and just say "fine me". 

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3 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

I agree with you on this. There will come a time where people will have had enough, open their businesses and just say "fine me". 

And then the customers very well may not show up at the same levels they did before because they do not feel that the problem is being mitigated.

It isn't just state and municipal governments that are going to determine when the economy gets back up and running, it's consumers too. 

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50 minutes ago, Yoda said:

You just gonna pretend it hasn't increased? #stanning 

People who have no family get buried in lonely places every day. 

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Just now, mtutiger said:

And then the customers very well may not show up at the same levels they did before because they do not feel that the problem is being mitigated.

It isn't just state and municipal governments that are going to determine when the economy gets back up and running, it's consumers.

You mean the consumers who have been cooped up in their houses for up to two months? Yeah, they will be back.

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10 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

You mean the consumers who have been cooped up in their houses for up to two months? Yeah, they will be back.

Some of them will, sure... ****, some consumers aren't even observing social distancing at this moment (see my earlier response to you about traveling up north).

But, as I shared earlier in the week in a tweet by JD Vance, customer reservations to restaurants in various jurisdictions (ranging from Ohio to UK to Sweden) took massive hits *before* governments blocked dine-in restaurant services. And that is because a lot of the public at that time did not feel the risk was being mitigated.

My point is that if you lift restrictions at this point, with little infrastructure in place to do large scale testing, a number of people will still forego restaurants and other businesses until such time that they feel the risk is being mitigated. You can dismiss that if you like, but consumer confidence is at a 9 year low at the moment on account of this virus. That deficit will not disappear overnight.

And anecdotally at least, that's certainly the case amongst a number of friends and family as well, including some of them who count themselves as Trump supporters. Especially older ones.

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8 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

You mean the consumers who have been cooped up in their houses for up to two months? Yeah, they will be back.

No question they will.  More and more people I talk to on a daily basis are saying come May if the lockdown is still in effect, they are going to go out and hang with others or go somewhere for a mini-vacation. The human spirit and it’s need to venture out and connect with others makes a government mandated lockdown limited in compliance...if governments are looking to have these lockdowns in place for the next year, they will need to implement draconian measures involving police and military forcibly keeping people in their homes. 

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23 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

I agree with you on this. There will come a time where people will have had enough, open their businesses and just say "fine me". 

That could happen.  I think the bigger question is when customers will be ready to come back to crowded restaurants, bars, etc.  Some will be back later than others.  

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22 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

You mean the consumers who have been cooped up in their houses for up to two months? Yeah, they will be back.

It won't be as easy as you think. I for one will be going back to some stuff like hiking, but I am going to stay away from crowded places for a while and stay very protective of older family members.  

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1 hour ago, MAROTH4MVP said:

#yourgoingtomakeitthroughthissostopbeingsoscared

And more deflecting. 

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10 minutes ago, Euphdude said:

No question they will.  More and more people I talk to on a daily basis are saying come May if the lockdown is still in effect, they are going to go out and hang with others or go somewhere for a mini-vacation. The human spirit and it’s need to venture out and connect with others makes a government mandated lockdown limited in compliance...if governments are looking to have these lockdowns in place for the next year, they will need to implement draconian measures involving police and military forcibly keeping people in their homes. 

Governments aren't going to have lockdowns in place for the next year. My guess is that most every state will be done with lockdowns by Memorial Day.

Having said that, what comes after the lockdown isn't going to be completely status quo. Some percentage of the population will likely be skittish to return to old habits... there will likely have to be an infrastructure in place to do mass testing to support reopening the economy.

I doubt a single person here is advocating for lockdowns in perpetuity... more just making the point that it will probably take a lot more time to get to a pre-COVID state.

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38 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

The people will decide how much it opens.  

No, the creepy guy's worshipers will do it whenever he says, whether it makes sense or not. The rest of use will decide when we go back to spending. 

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37 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

I agree with you on this. There will come a time where people will have had enough, open their businesses and just say "fine me". 

Putting an open sign on the door isn't all that's needed. This won't be enough for many small businesses. 

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7 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It won't be as easy as you think. I for one will be going back to some stuff like hiking, but I am going to stay away from crowded places for a while and stay very protective of older family members.  

Right... it's not a black or white "they will or they won't" proposition. Some will go back to normal participation in the economy and some will not based on their own particular comfort level, their risk factors in the event they catch COVID-19, whether the person is immunocompromised, their age, etc.

Either way, the end result will not be a complete return to pre-COVID.

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18 minutes ago, Euphdude said:

No question they will.  More and more people I talk to on a daily basis are saying come May if the lockdown is still in effect, they are going to go out and hang with others or go somewhere for a mini-vacation. The human spirit and it’s need to venture out and connect with others makes a government mandated lockdown limited in compliance...if governments are looking to have these lockdowns in place for the next year, they will need to implement draconian measures involving police and military forcibly keeping people in their homes. 

Well if you know a couple people who are bored, then the economy will for sure be back to 100% as soon as Trump says so. 

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3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Governments aren't going to have lockdowns in place for the next year. My guess is that most every state will be done with lockdowns by Memorial Day.

Having said that, what comes after the lockdown isn't going to be completely status quo. Some percentage of the population will likely be skittish to return to old habits... there will likely have to be an infrastructure in place to do mass testing to support reopening the economy.

I doubt a single person here is advocating for lockdowns in perpetuity... more just making the point that it will probably take a lot more time to get to a pre-COVID state.

I agree completely.  The lockdowns will be over before summer, but it's going to take a long while before normalcy returns especially if we get that second wave that keeps being mentioned.   

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1 hour ago, Melody said:

I had to go pick up a prescription today and dutifully donned a mask for the first time.  Just a washable cloth one.  I understand why so many people are wearing them under their noses (which essentially renders them useless).

They fog up your glasses.    

The N95 I wore last summer for painting and sanding, etc. fit more tightly so it was less a problem.  But those suckers are uncomfortable and hard to breathe through.  

A lot of the commercial industrial N95's have a little one-way exhale flapper valve in the front  which helps prevent them from exhaling around the edges - and so fogging your glasses. Of course the tiny bit of air flow it takes for that valve to close on inhalation also becomes a slight weakness in the protection. TINFL

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What to make of this...

Sweden- Covid-19 cases: 10,151. Population: 10,000,000; Percentage: .001.   Economy: Open 

Brazil- Covid-19 cases: 20,757. Population: 209,000,000; Percentage: .00009. Economy: Open

USA- Covid-19 cases: 528,000. Population: 360,000,0000; Percentage: .001.    Economy: Ravaged. 

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