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02/12/2020 7:00 EST Detroit Pistons vs Orlando Magic

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57 minutes ago, Casimir said:

I agree with this.

Is it foolish to consider a sign and trade with him?

Is the best course of action for the franchise to use the salary cap space to take on bad contracts in exchange for future assets?

He's only 24, why trade him?  Giving him $10M a year is the easiest decision this front office will have to make in the next few years.

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Assuming the cap is $116M next summer.  Here are the three max contract values.  These are their salaries in the first year of the deal.

25% $29,000,000
30% $34,800,000
35% $40,600,000

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11 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

He's only 24, why trade him?  Giving him $10M a year is the easiest decision this front office will have to make in the next few years.

I still think he has some maturing to do before the team has confidence that he’s a legitimate part of their future plans.  

I’m really trying hard not be an ahole about it but  even by NBA standards, it seems like he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.  That’s why it’s taken him so long to get here despite exceptional talent for someone his size.  

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5 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I still think he has some maturing to do before the team has confidence that he’s a legitimate part of their future plans.  

I’m really trying hard not be an ahole about it but  even by NBA standards, it seems like he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.  That’s why it’s taken him so long to get here despite exceptional talent for someone his size.  

He has a ton of issues, which is why I think his salary will be low.  Look at the max numbers I just posted.  League average is $7.7M.  $10M is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.  

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2 hours ago, 313DetroitCity said:

If this team has a top 3 pick, a lot of cap space, a young roster and a front office that outright said they are rebuilding....might people finally see a path forward?

Just 3-4 months ago everyone said there was absolutely no path forward for this team to be good again. I'd say this team could be on the road to having a young core.

The key this off-season is obviously what they do with cap space and who they draft, but the opportunity is there for this franchise to turn itself around.

3-4 months ago people said the way forward was to tear it down.  the same thing they said for a decade.

i think people are pleased they finally made the right decision.

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15 minutes ago, Buddha said:

3-4 months ago people said the way forward was to tear it down.  the same thing they said for a decade.

i think people are pleased they finally made the right decision.

3-4 months ago people said a tear down would never happen, and was impossible to do because Gores would never let Drummond go and because the front office was entirely incompetent. 

Now people still refuse to accept that the front office is rebuilding, even though they have explicitly said they are. The conversation is now "they're going to blow the cap space anyways". 

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2 minutes ago, 313DetroitCity said:

3-4 months ago people said a tear down would never happen, and was impossible to do because Gores would never let Drummond go and because the front office was entirely incompetent. 

Now people still refuse to accept that the front office is rebuilding, even though they have explicitly said they are. The conversation is now "they're going to blow the cap space anyways". 

3-4 months ago you said a tear down was stupid and unnecessary.

 

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6 minutes ago, 313DetroitCity said:

3-4 months ago people said a tear down would never happen, and was impossible to do because Gores would never let Drummond go and because the front office was entirely incompetent. 

Now people still refuse to accept that the front office is rebuilding, even though they have explicitly said they are. The conversation is now "they're going to blow the cap space anyways". 

It's not going to be a full rebuild until Blake is off the books. It's more of a "retool", to no fault of the current front office but it is what it is in the short term.

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31 minutes ago, Buddha said:

3-4 months ago you said a tear down was stupid and unnecessary.

 

I did? Would love for you to cite that.

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Saying and doing are two different things.  They traded one guy.  Obviously it was a huge move, but additional action is still TBD.  A full tear down could have included trading other vets for picks (even if in the "50's") and maybe buying out Reggie.  Picks in the 50's can pan out, even if long shots.  Look at the number of guys having an impact this season who weren't even drafted. 

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2 hours ago, 313DetroitCity said:

I did? Would love for you to cite that.

you argued for years that the philly method was wrong and that the team should not tear down and rebuild, that it was unnecessary.  that we can get quality players in the mid first round.

now, after years of trying to do that and failing, you've changed your mind amd embraced the tank.

are you saying you've been pro-tank for years?

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4 hours ago, Deleterious said:

He's only 24, why trade him?  Giving him $10M a year is the easiest decision this front office will have to make in the next few years.

It all depends on what you get back.  If a team wants to overpay in a draft pick package for an inexpensive 4/5 that can shoot 3s, needs help on defense, and has a suspect motor, why not?  Nobody on the roster should be off limits.

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Look at this.  Drummond gets traded and we have page twos before tip offs.

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Nice sequence from Wood there.

Big block on defense, runs the floor for the lob over two guys from Reggie.

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And that is where Wood really struggles.  He rotated to the wrong guy on defense and was standing right next to Morris while Wood's guy dunked the ball.

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That is the benefit of a modern day center.  Wood hits a few outside shots, Orlando puts a 6'7" guy on  him.  Wood posts him and converts the and one.

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