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Wonder what they got.     a 6th round pick?       Did the Eagles have any draft picks they acquired from the Patriots - because that will be the pick they got.

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Bob Quinn sucks at his job, flat out. A 3rd round pick for Darius Slay? So what if the guy wasn't a perfect locker room fit, so what if he spoke out against the genius head coach, he was the most talented player you had on defense. This is a **** poor return for the top player on defense and one of the better Corner's in the league. Slay is better than Trufant at this point in his career. If you're building a win to win now why not keep Slay with Trufant and turn the secondary into a strength?

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8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Yeah because a declining CB who wants to be the highest paid in the league is worth so much more.

The excuse express arriving right on time.

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8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Yeah because a declining CB who wants to be the highest paid in the league is worth so much more.

No, because these two are driving good players out of town for aging yes men.      

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Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Bob Quinn sucks at his job, flat out. A 3rd round pick for Darius Slay? So what if the guy wasn't a perfect locker room fit, so what if he spoke out against the genius head coach, he was the most talented player you had on defense. This is a **** poor return for the top player on defense and one of the better Corner's in the league.

LOL Slay was one of the worst CB last year. He was traded because he wanted to be paid as if he were the best. You would be the first to complain if the Lions overpaid him.

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Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said:

The excuse express arriving right on time.

His PFF grade last year was 56. I'm old enough to remember everyone complaining here when he was being lit up Keenan Allen. He was going to hold out because he wants to be the highest paid CB in the league. He's not worth it anymore.

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

LOL Slay was one of the worst CB last year. He was traded because he wanted to be paid as if he were the best. You would be the first to complain if the Lions overpaid him.

So are you are saying the Eagles front office are idiots for giving Slay the extension?   Their track record says they are much more competent than the Mighty Quinn.   

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Just now, Hongbit said:

So are you are saying the Eagles front office are idiots for giving Slay the extension?   Their track record says they are much more competent than the Mighty Quinn.   

Depends on how much. If they made him the highest paid CB, yes. Frankly, the Eagles front office seems lazy since they traded for one of Jim Schwartz former players.

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3rd and a fifth is about what you should expect for a 29 year old corner on the decline who is a out to get a serious extension.

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I mean, I'm shocked the Lions didn't get more for the 92nd ranked CB last year. Why wouldn't teams line up to trade high draft picks and pay him $50 million when they could have gotten a better CB like Trufant for no picks and way less money?

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Yeah Slay took a major step back the past year or two and unless he pulls a Richard Sherman, history suggests he's probably going to continue that trend.

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14 minutes ago, Buddha said:

3rd and a fifth is about what you should expect for a 29 year old corner on the decline who is a out to get a serious extension.

Correct. 

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PFF ratings are a very useful part of player assessment.  Using them as the sole determiner of a players ability is not nearly as useful.

Now, if one were to have a pre-determined result in mind, I can see how using PFF data on its own may help to provide the spin they are looking for. 

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Or one can go to all the game threads, particularly the Chargers game, and see everyone complaining about how Slay was getting beat like a drum and arrive to the conclusion that he had lost a step.

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The Lions also free up 10 million in cap space, there's still a lot of names out there so I wouldn't be surprised to see some corresponding moves.

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Here's the thing with PFF and Slay, it matches the eye test. PFF has always rated Slay highly until last year when he had the second worst season of his career, only his rookie season was worse. I don't think this is an anomaly with PFF. Perhaps this season was an outlier, but do we expect 30 year old defensive backs to improve with age?

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Nobody is going to argue that Slay had a top 10 CB season.   His play fell off last year as did the entire defense.  Still,  there’s no eye test in the world where there are 91 corners in the league that are better.  PFF has 4th and 5th string corners that barely play listed higher than Slay.   That’s crazy.  

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2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Nobody is going to argue that Slay had a top 10 CB season.   His play fell off last year as did the entire defense.  Still,  there’s no eye test in the world where there are 91 corners in the league that are better.  PFF has 4th and 5th string corners that barely play listed higher than Slay.   That’s crazy.  

I don't think anyone believes there are 91 defensive backs better than Slay, but PFF has never rated him this low and it matches the eye test. Clearly he regressed. The problem is, he wanted to be paid like a top 10 CB. The Lions also shouldn't expect compensation as if he were a top CB. You then also have to factor into the trade value that he wants to be paid like a top 10 CB. The Lions got fair value for Slay.

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