Mr. Bigglesworth 3,201 Posted November 11 Holy smokes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.TaterSalad 388 Posted November 11 Awful! Only 38 years of age, which is far too young. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 Are you surprised though? To me this is as surprising as Layne Staley's death. It's so sad. If he had a person or two really get through to him he would have been alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 31 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said: Holy smokes. Was that a joke? If it is, I applaud your darkness - I really do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Bigglesworth 3,201 Posted November 11 It was not a joke. At least consciously. That was the first thought in my head when I saw the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown Bombers 954 Posted November 11 56 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Was that a joke? If it is, I applaud your darkness - I really do. I thought the same thing. I remember seeing a interview with Rogers not too long ago. He was working at some car shop in Florida. What struck me was how skinny he looked and I would have never guessed this tooth pick would have been a top NFL prospect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said: I thought the same thing. I remember seeing a interview with Rogers not too long ago. He was working at some car shop in Florida. What struck me was how skinny he looked and I would have never guessed this tooth pick would have been a top NFL prospect. I remember that same article and it was sad to see, but it was all his fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 I think most of us have a few people in our lives that would kick our butts metaphorically or even literally if we strayed off the right path too much. When you surround yourself with only Yes Men and enablers, really bad things can escalate - and fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Bigglesworth 3,201 Posted November 11 Flip side is I have seen many youth athletes who were micromanaged by controlling parents and it almost always ****s those kids up far beyond their athletic development. I don't think there is any one answer, but in the end I think it mostly comes down to how grounded the individual is, because once they are an adult, they are going to behave how they are going to behave. Being afraid of your dad or whomever only works so long. It is probably at least somewhat unfair to put it this way, but Tiger Woods is an example of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 It was Liver Failure. He was a severe alcoholic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sports_Freak 352 Posted November 11 6 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: I remember that same article and it was sad to see, but it was all his fault. Ahhhh...yes, personal responsibility. But addiction is a mental illness. He had the shoulder injuries and he blamed the Lions for supplying him massive amounts of Vicodin. It's a horrible end to a very talented player. What could have been.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 16 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Ahhhh...yes, personal responsibility. But addiction is a mental illness. He had the shoulder injuries and he blamed the Lions for supplying him massive amounts of Vicodin. It's a horrible end to a very talented player. What could have been.... I'm thinking the booze had more to do with this than anything............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buddha 854 Posted November 11 we all have our weaknesses. rip charles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Sonics 899 Posted November 11 43 minutes ago, Buddha said: we all have our weaknesses. rip charles. It is, it's incredibly sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sports_Freak 352 Posted November 12 2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: I'm thinking the booze had more to do with this than anything............ Vicodin has acetaminophen in it, which if taken in huge quantities, can damage your liver. They also said he had liver cancer, if that's from the drugs and drinking, I don't know. Most alcoholics can drink and live longer than 38 years. There more than likely other drugs involved. But his disease was addiction, originally. And he never got help for it. He still owes the Lions a part of his signing bonus but he was totally broke. Just a very sad story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites