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14 hours ago, Buddha said:

yes.  and he was inconsistent for detroit in the playoffs.

98ip 77h 30bb 112k, era 3.36, .207 ba against, .629 ops against, that's pretty damn good, anything else is just noise.

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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

98 77 30 112, era 3.36, .207 ba against, .629 ops against, that's pretty damn good, anything else is just noise.

What the **** is 98 77 30 112?

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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

98ip 77h 30bb 112k, era 3.36, .207 ba against, .629 ops against, that's pretty damn good, anything else is just noise.

all that says is that when he was good, he was very very good and when he was bad he was horrid.

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

all that says is that when he was good, he was very very good and when he was bad he was horrid.

And also that he was very good more than horrid 

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6 minutes ago, Buddha said:

all that says is that when he was good, he was very very good and when he was bad he was horrid.

All it says is that given a large enough sample size, a pitcher will pitch to his career averages.  

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15 minutes ago, Buddha said:

all that says is that when he was good, he was very very good and when he was bad he was horrid.

Smoltz had some bad outings in his time:

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Same for Maddux:

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The winningest pitcher in the 80s:

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That jackass Roger Clemens:

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The Big Unit had some big clunkers:

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25 minutes ago, Buddha said:

all that says is that when he was good, he was very very good and when he was bad he was horrid.

You can say that about pretty much every Hall of Famer, baseball stats never roll out evenly, you know this.

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ummm....ok.  none of that retracts from what i said before.  

he was inconsistent in the playoffs with detroit.  the idea that he was an unstoppable juggernaut with detroit like he is with houston is incorrect.

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Bob Gibson.  9 career postseason starts, 8 complete games, 81 innings pitched.  Goodness....

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7 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Bob Gibson.  9 career postseason starts, 8 complete games, 81 innings pitched.  Goodness....

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3 of those games were against the Tigers.  Of course ..the Tigers back then were a true MLB team.

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23 minutes ago, Longgone said:

You can say that about pretty much every Hall of Famer, baseball stats never roll out evenly, you know this.

Especially considering that during the playoffs they are most likely pitching against the best teams for that year. 

Not always ..but usually.

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46 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Smoltz had some bad outings in his time:

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Same for Maddux:

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The winningest pitcher in the 80s:

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That jackass Roger Clemens:

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The Big Unit had some big clunkers:

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it's a amazing to me that the Brave's guys basically played the equivalent of a full season during their playoff run.

 

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38 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

it's a amazing to me that the Brave's guys basically played the equivalent of a full season during their playoff run.

 

The Bob Gibson IP/GS are more eye opening to me.

In 1964, he pitched in game 2 of the World Series rather than game 1 because he was used in relief in game 162 which clinched the pennant for St. Louis.

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2 hours ago, bobrob2004 said:

All it says is that given a large enough sample size, a pitcher will pitch to his career averages.  

Correct.

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7 hours ago, 1776 said:

I’m a Wil Myers fan. Hey, got a couple of Myers’ bobbleheads when he was a Durham Bull, not to mention he is a NC native. That said, I wouldn’t take a chance on him. Cannot believe, now or when it happened, what SD gave this guy $$$.  Made no sense at the time.

The idea is to bring in some prospects, kinda like the Dodgers have done.

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Just ordered two books about the Tigers to make me forget about this current fiasco. Both books date to yesteryear.

Ordered George Cantor’s book, ‘The Tigers of ‘68’

Also ordered Jim Hawkins’ book on The Great Al Kaline. 

Looking very forward to getting started.

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For people looking for offseason reading, I can recommend Tom Stanton's 'Terror in the City of Champions.'  It's about Detroit in the 1930s, and the coalescence of the sports championships and some criminal societies that were brewing up in and around Detroit.  The 1930s Tigers are the major focus; there is some material about the Wings, Lions, and Joe Louis, too.  If anybody has read 'Devil in the White City,' this has a similar feel.

 

EDIT: I meant to write that I really enjoyed Tigers of '68, the chapters on Norm Cash and Earl Wilson stand out to me

 

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On 10/4/2019 at 10:20 PM, 1776 said:

It gets harder and harder to imagine that JV was actually a Tiger in the past. This org’s demise and his incredible sustainability  really are two different world’s now. No one in the Tigers organization today is as class as J.V. There won’t be another Verlander for years to come, if ever. Just thinking out loud...

Matt Manning = Verlander 2.0.

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13 hours ago, sabretooth said:

I don't see any problem with taking on Myers and his contract and a good prospect, but who the heck do we have that they could want?

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A good utility player like Ron Rod.

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If San Diego were actually interested in Boyd, and we were taking on Myers...

Are we interested in Taylor Trammell or CJ Abrams?

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