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48 minutes ago, bobrob2004 said:

Cochran's career ended when he got hit in the head with a pitched ball.  

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

Has anyone here read Charlie Bevis’ book on Cochrane? Reviews?

No, what is it?  There is a lot of content about Cochrane in 'Terror in the CIty of Champions'

 

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Replying to the fact that he didn't play past the age of 34.  His career ended abruptly due to injury.  

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Apropos of nothing...I've always been interested on the story of Moe Berg...but never enough to read about him in much detail

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1 hour ago, bobrob2004 said:

Replying to the fact that he didn't play past the age of 34.  His career ended abruptly due to injury.  

I am aware of his career.

I only mentioned his relatively short tenure with the Tigers as an explanation as why his number wasn't retired.

He wasn't with the club long enough.

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2 hours ago, theroundsquare said:

No, what is it?  There is a lot of content about Cochrane in 'Terror in the CIty of Champions'

 

After reading several reviews of the book, probably a no-go. It is a biography of Cochrane. Only 207 or so pages isn’t what I had in mind.

Thanks for the mention of, Terror in the City of Champions. 
 

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This appeared on the MLBTR yesterday:

They have a poll within the story asking readers' opinion.

Here are how the results have trended:

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

This appeared on the MLBTR yesterday:

They have a poll within the story asking readers' opinion.

Here are how the results have trended:

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Pretty poor work by MLBTR there. 

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5 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Pretty poor work by MLBTR there. 

In terms of ... ?

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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

In terms of ... ?

I found errors in their trade analysis when I saw it yesterday.  Very sloppy.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

This appeared on the MLBTR yesterday:

They have a poll within the story asking readers' opinion.

Here are how the results have trended:

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66 "A" votes?  Avila must have a huge family.

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8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

In terms of ... ?

Multiple errors. And no effort whatsoever to include any context in the asset being traded.

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10 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I found errors in their trade analysis when I saw it yesterday.  Very sloppy.

Did they get the trades wrong, like, wrong guy for wrong guy? Because I don't see any analysis. Just "here are the trades, now vote."

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Obviously not happy with the results thus far but I don't think it's fair to judge him until we know for sure guys like Daz, Jake, Perez Willi and Wentz are finished products.  

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1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Did they get the trades wrong, like, wrong guy for wrong guy?

In one case they had us trading away K-rod instead of trading for K-rod. There was another where it said we acquired a guy from the tigers. Just sloppy. 
 

Still, my issue is that was overly simplified and devoid of any context, even if there hadn’t been the above sloppiness. 

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6 minutes ago, Shelton said:

In one case they had us trading away K-rod instead of trading for K-rod. There was another where it said we acquired a guy from the tigers. Just sloppy. 
 

Still, my issue is that was overly simplified and devoid of any context, even if there hadn’t been the above sloppiness. 

OK, I see. Yeah it's sloppy, although click on the link for the story and they have it right.

I gather the lack of context is purposeful, as in "here are the trades, form your own opinion, now vote", rather than, "here are the trades, here is what we think of them, now vote."

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4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

OK, I see. Yeah it's sloppy, although click on the link for the story and they have it right.

I gather the lack of context is purposeful, as in "here are the trades, form your own opinion, now vote", rather than, "here are the trades, here is what we think of them, now vote."

I’m not saying i want their opinion. I would have liked to see additional facts. Ages of the players traded. Contract remaining. Prospect rankings. Something more than just the names of the players. 
 

 

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11 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I’m not saying i want their opinion. I would have liked to see additional facts. Ages of the players traded. Contract remaining. Prospect rankings. Something more than just the names of the players. 
 

 

I guess it's a sign of modern times in baseball, but there are almost no 'ordinary' trades in Al's CV where he just traded one asset of one kind for one of another on any kind of equal basis. Distressed assets and rental contracts.  

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38 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I guess it's a sign of modern times in baseball, but there are almost no 'ordinary' trades in Al's CV where he just traded one asset of one kind for one of another on any kind of equal basis. Distressed assets and rental contracts.  

Al Avila is kind of like an amateur gambler at a casino, or an amateur investor with stocks: as long as he's even or winning he keeps going with what he has, but as soon as he's showing losses, that's when he bails. Branch Rickey, he ain't.

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I agree about context. Det had a largely overpaid, aging, slow roster and a barren farm. Along with that a terrible system for developing talent and an overall antiquated approach to the game. Al was given that hand in a context of teams choosing to hold onto top prospects and decent players under team control. Sounds morbid, but if Mike Illitch had passed a couple years earlier perhaps AA's haul would have been better. But then there are the Lowe, Pelfrey, etc signings that were horrible. I'm not praising Avila, just agreeing his performance should be critiqued within a rather crappy context

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As of now it looks like Avila did a terrible job of projecting the talent but if you go by what they were at the time I think he did real well in the JV trade.

Perez was a top 40ish guy, Cameron top 100 and Rogers just outside that.  I think that's a good haul for a pitcher who was perceived as being on the decline with a bloated contract. 

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I agree. I hated the JV trade because I am a huge fan, but at the time I thought the return was ok

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57 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

As of now it looks like Avila did a terrible job of projecting the talent but if you go by what they were at the time I think he did real well in the JV trade.

At least based on what we and the baseball establishment thought we knew about those players on that day.

It's possible Houston knew something about all these guys that people outside the organization could not know, making it easy to part with them.

It's also possible that all three of them were then and are still potential All-Stars, Houston gulped when they pulled the trigger, and the Tiger organization hasn't figured out how to tap into their potential yet.

Either way, so far, the Astros have won that trade, and by a factor of multiples.

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2 hours ago, chasfh said:

... Either way, so far, the Astros have won that trade, and by a factor of multiples.

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Can't use infinity for multiplication...

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5 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

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Can't use infinity for multiplication...

OK, how about:

Either way, so far, the Astros have won that trade, and by ∞.

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