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9 minutes ago, Lei Pong said:

That would be the complete Foxification of MLB....

Any chance for stripper poles in the outfield?

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I don’t like it.  Making the playoffs in baseball used to be special.  The original wild card was ok because it rewarded extreme examples of 100 win teams not making it.  Then we had the great drama on the final day of 2011 so baseball figures they needed to force that every year and in a way negated it.  This is just an extension of that.  But maybe I’m not the target audience anymore.  I’m not an old school curmudgeon. I like bat flips.  I like emotion. I prefer the DH. Let them play.  
 

I just don’t like expanding the playoffs. The way it is now is fine with two teams who didn’t win their division having to do a play in game. 
 

but as I think about it as I write didn’t the original format give the team with the best record the choice on who to play? So maybe this isn’t terrible.  Give a few days to allow the clear winners of the regular season to reset their rotation while the others scramble.  Maybe turn it into less of a crapshoot?

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4 hours ago, chasfh said:

If they don't figure out some way to get good talent on the major league team, other than throwing too much money at random veterans, they don't stand a chance to win even 62 games, never mind 65 games. What they've been doing ain't working.

It's working if the intention is to be the worst team in baseball for an indefinite period of time and never spend any money.

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I like it. 

I get it, we hate change. Yes, fewer teams was way more meaningful. 

All the other sports do this because it's exciting and young people like it. MLB needs that. They're doing the right thing. 

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12 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I don’t like it.  Making the playoffs in baseball used to be special.  The original wild card was ok because it rewarded extreme examples of 100 win teams not making it.  Then we had the great drama on the final day of 2011 so baseball figures they needed to force that every year and in a way negated it.  This is just an extension of that.  But maybe I’m not the target audience anymore.  I’m not an old school curmudgeon. I like bat flips.  I like emotion. I prefer the DH. Let them play.  
 

I just don’t like expanding the playoffs. The way it is now is fine with two teams who didn’t win their division having to do a play in game. 
 

but as I think about it as I write didn’t the original format give the team with the best record the choice on who to play? So maybe this isn’t terrible.  Give a few days to allow the clear winners of the regular season to reset their rotation while the others scramble.  Maybe turn it into less of a crapshoot?

They're not trying to make older fans happy. They already have you. They're trying to make the game more exciting for younger fans. More playoff teams = more excitement. 

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11 minutes ago, Oblong said:

I don’t like it.  Making the playoffs in baseball used to be special.  The original wild card was ok because it rewarded extreme examples of 100 win teams not making it.  Then we had the great drama on the final day of 2011 so baseball figures they needed to force that every year and in a way negated it.  This is just an extension of that.  But maybe I’m not the target audience anymore.  I’m not an old school curmudgeon. I like bat flips.  I like emotion. I prefer the DH. Let them play.  
 

I just don’t like expanding the playoffs. The way it is now is fine with two teams who didn’t win their division having to do a play in game. 
 

but as I think about it as I write didn’t the original format give the team with the best record the choice on who to play? So maybe this isn’t terrible.  Give a few days to allow the clear winners of the regular season to reset their rotation while the others scramble.  Maybe turn it into less of a crapshoot?

I don’t really like the current system at all. I think giving this great advantage to a team because they won their division is pretty ridiculous, given the extreme competitive disadvantage to being a lowly wild card team. There is nothing inherently special about having the best record among a group of five predetermined teams that are loosely based on geography. 
 

the 3+1 system was probably the most fair. But that still can end up excluding some pretty good teams. Six per league seems perfect to me. 

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

From MLB website:

“Are big changes coming for the playoffs? It could happen, including 4 more teams and a live TV show during which 2 clubs from each league would select their 1st-round opponents.”

 

This is so lame.

Wait...what?  It's no April 1st, so what's going on here?

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

I don't care how they arrange it.  I will never like having 14 teams in the playoffs.  

So basically they want to add at least 2 more playoff dates to the post season.

Last year's World Series ended October 30.  With the new format .. it could end November 3rd.  

And why should each league's best record get upwards of 4 to 5 days off .. in which they could get a bit rusty?  

Furthermore, the other two Divisional Champs could have a worse record than 2 of the Wild Card teams.  Why should they get 'rewarded' by being able to pick who they play AND playing at home ..while the 2 Wild Card teams with better records do not get to play at home in the Wild Card? 

For example, ..2015 National League (If I understand correctly):

                        
NL East                        
NY Mets          90    72    0.556    -    Divisional winner gets to choose their Wild Card opponent
Washington    83    79    0.512    7        Wild Card team
Miami              71    91    0.438    19        
Atlanta            67    95    0.414    23        
Philadelphi     63    99    0.389    27        
                        
NL Central                        
St. Louis       100    62    0.617    -     Divisional winner w/best record = Wild Card BYE
Pittsburgh      98    64    0.605    2    Wild Card team 2nd best record in NL but plays no home games in Wild Card
Chi Cubs        97    65    0.599    3    Wild Card team 3rd best record in NL but plays no home games in Wild Card   
Milwaukee     68    94    0.420    32        
Cincinnati      64    98    0.395    36        
                        
NL West                        
LA Dodgers    92    70    0.568    -    Divisional winner gets to choose their Wild Card opponent
San Fran        84    78    0.519    8        Wild Card team
Arizona          79    83    0.488    13        
San Diego     74    88    0.457    18        
Colorado       68    94    0.420    24        
 

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

Oh, can’t you see it now?  All first round road teams board airplanes at the same time with no idea where they are going and with no communication devices (except for the pilots).  Matchups are picked as all six planes take off simultaneously and those teams won’t know where they are going until they get there.

Should I pack a fleece or cargo shorts?

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Are they trying to discourage tanking?  If you make it easier to make the playoffs, teams might think twice about completely imploding.

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2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Should I pack a fleece or cargo shorts?

LOL!

Pack a Tenacious toga and a couple of Depends.

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Just now, Tenacious D said:

Are they trying to discourage tanking?  If you make it easier to make the playoffs, teams might think twice about completely imploding.

Follow the money!

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3 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Are they trying to discourage tanking?  If you make it easier to make the playoffs, teams might think twice about completely imploding.

This is a good point. 

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I'd also like to point out the new format makes a ton of sense with expansion. With a 16 team league, you'd have four divisions of four

The four divisions winners, top record gets a buy. The other three get a home game. 

Then you have three wild card winners, who make the playoffs but have to go on the road. Seemingly the best of thsoe teams (let's just say its a 98 win Boston) would play at the worst division winner (let's say a 87 Twins). 

The math makes sense with 16 teams, its still special/important to win your division and you still have the second place division teams with a shot at the playoffs. 

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I doubt it's real, but I could also see Bauer doing this. I enjoy his interviews. He did a nice Darnell Coles impression with his toss into the stands.

 

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Hey I just noticed Jeter downs was part of the Betts deal. I hope he becomes a superstar that way Yankee fans have to root against Jeter. 

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6 hours ago, leflore said:

I doubt it's real, but I could also see Bauer doing this. I enjoy his interviews. He did a nice Darnell Coles impression with his toss into the stands.

 

Didn't Darnell throw one OUT of the stadium?

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9 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

I'd also like to point out the new format makes a ton of sense with expansion. With a 16 team league, you'd have four divisions of four

The four divisions winners, top record gets a buy. The other three get a home game. 

Then you have three wild card winners, who make the playoffs but have to go on the road. Seemingly the best of thsoe teams (let's just say its a 98 win Boston) would play at the worst division winner (let's say a 87 Twins). 

The math makes sense with 16 teams, its still special/important to win your division and you still have the second place division teams with a shot at the playoffs. 

Hmmm...... the E word.  I'll be honest, I hadn't thought of that angle of it.  I don't know that expansion is relevant right now, I would think they need to figure out Tampa and Oakland first.

But here's the thing, while that format might be good for two 4x4 leagues, MLB isn't there yet.

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10 hours ago, Yoda said:

I like it. 

I get it, we hate change. Yes, fewer teams was way more meaningful. 

All the other sports do this because it's exciting and young people like it. MLB needs that. They're doing the right thing. 

Yes, watching the Pistons get hammered by the Bucks in last NBA's playoffs was totes dope, yo.

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14 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Yes, watching the Pistons get hammered by the Bucks in last NBA's playoffs was totes dope, yo.

Yes, because that’s the same thing. 

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