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5 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

 

“We’re going out in search of college people…”  Wow.  Do they wear lab coats and have slide rules and Blackberries? It sounds like they’re taking a butter knife to a street fight. 

To be fair that's a Gardenhire quote and I doubt he's doing the hiring in the analytics department 

 

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Just now, LooseGoose said:

To be fair that's a Gardenhire quote and I doubt he's doing the hiring in the analytics department 

 

I know.  I felt bad using it but it was so tempting I just couldn’t resist. I feel like I should call him Gramps even though he’s younger than me. 

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1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

I would kick Al up to a glorified position, i.e., SVP of Baseball Operations, to save face like the Wings did with Jimmy Develano

Next, open up the vault for Houston’s Asst GM.  No idea who he or she is, but do it immediately after the World Series.

 

I'm sorry...how can you use he phrase "save face" in conjunction with Jimmy Devellano?   He oversaw the 83 draft that landed Yzerman, Probert, Klima and Kocur and the 89 draft that netted Federov,Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Drake and Sillinger.  He built the teams that won cups in 1997 and 1998 and the 2002 Cup winner relied heavily n his guys as well.

He is..perhaps...the greatest GM in Detroit in the past 50 years.  The only guy who even comes close is the Pistons Jack McCloskey

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10 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Or at least made to feel shame

2 minutes in the box... by himself.

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7 hours ago, Lei Pong said:

I'm sorry...how can you use he phrase "save face" in conjunction with Jimmy Devellano?   He oversaw the 83 draft that landed Yzerman, Probert, Klima and Kocur and the 89 draft that netted Federov,Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Drake and Sillinger.  He built the teams that won cups in 1997 and 1998 and the 2002 Cup winner relied heavily n his guys as well.

He is..perhaps...the greatest GM in Detroit in the past 50 years.  The only guy who even comes close is the Pistons Jack McCloskey

Compared to the GMs on MTS he's below average at best.  ?

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9 hours ago, 1776 said:

And I will NEVER understand extending Avila, NEVER.

Agree.  I have not been as critical of Avila as most, but the extension makes absolutely no sense.  I would think further progression (and exponential rather than linear) of the farm system would have been due diligence for the extra contract years.

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10 hours ago, 1776 said:

And I will NEVER understand extending Avila, NEVER. Extending him was confirmation of how really in the dark ownership is about what it is needed to create a real change.

Same reason a college football team always has their coach under contract for five more years... recruiting.

The analytics staff they are building would probably bolt and set that portion of the rebuild back if there wasn't that certainty.

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32 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Same reason a college football team always has their coach under contract for five more years... recruiting.

The analytics staff they are building would probably bolt and set that portion of the rebuild back if there wasn't that certainty.

I don't think the analytics staff has that much leverage.  There is high demand and low supply for those positions.  If they leave one team, they won't necessarily get another offer in baseball.  Most of them can probably make more money outside of baseball, but if they want to stay in the game I don't think many of them have the luxury of being able to bolt from one organization to another.

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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't think the analytics staff has that much leverage.  There is high demand and low supply for those positions.  If they leave one team, they won't necessarily get another offer in baseball.  Most of them can probably make more money outside of baseball, but if they want to stay in the game I don't think many of them have the luxury of being able to bolt from one organization to another.

We have both made those calculations on money made inside versus outside the game, fwiw

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11 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't think the analytics staff has that much leverage.  There is high demand and low supply for those positions.  If they leave one team, they won't necessarily get another offer in baseball.  Most of them can probably make more money outside of baseball, but if they want to stay in the game I don't think many of them have the luxury of being able to bolt from one organization to another.

Ha!  You're thoroughly discredited now, aren't you!  Now that you're outed as a Giuliani associate...Lev Parnas!

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14 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't think the analytics staff has that much leverage.  There is high demand and low supply for those positions.  If they leave one team, they won't necessarily get another offer in baseball.  Most of them can probably make more money outside of baseball, but if they want to stay in the game I don't think many of them have the luxury of being able to bolt from one organization to another.

I think you meant to say "low demand and high supply"?  Otherwise they would have a lot of leverage.

 

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1 minute ago, Oblong said:

I think you meant to say "low demand and high supply"?  Otherwise they would have a lot of leverage.

 

I was looking at it from the perspective of the labor rather than management.  Low supply of jobs and lots of people demanding them.  Does that make me a socialist?  

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12 hours ago, Lei Pong said:

I'm sorry...how can you use he phrase "save face" in conjunction with Jimmy Devellano?   He oversaw the 83 draft that landed Yzerman, Probert, Klima and Kocur and the 89 draft that netted Federov,Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Drake and Sillinger.  He built the teams that won cups in 1997 and 1998 and the 2002 Cup winner relied heavily n his guys as well.

He is..perhaps...the greatest GM in Detroit in the past 50 years.  The only guy who even comes close is the Pistons Jack McCloskey

my apologies.  my memory was a bit murky, I always thought of Jimmy D as the guy that got moved out for Ken Holland, but given Devellano's tenure, he clearly had a hand in the Wing's success.

Still doesn't change the fact, though, that Avila should be given new "responsibility" to make room for a front office-type from a more progressive, successful franchise (i.e., Houston).

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3 minutes ago, theroundsquare said:

I'd bet Maddon will go to the Angels, if he manages and isn't a front-office guy

I read or heard several days ago (don’t remember where) that if Maddon was available the Angels would can Ausmus to get him. 

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15 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Will Brad get another gig?

I expected the Angels would give him more run than one year - if Maddon does end up there we can assume he was "Less Moss'ed."

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1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

my apologies.  my memory was a bit murky, I always thought of Jimmy D as the guy that got moved out for Ken Holland, but given Devellano's tenure, he clearly had a hand in the Wing's success.

Still doesn't change the fact, though, that Avila should be given new "responsibility" to make room for a front office-type from a more progressive, successful franchise (i.e., Houston).

That's been successful in the NFL with the Patriot Way.

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1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

It’s not a good look for Brad.

The Angels are going to pay Brad to surf and bang his hot wife for the next 2 years; he'll muddle through

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