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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I think he is kind of a nut ball, but I think a lot of the stuff people slam him for, like the team traveling, are unfair. I think he is honestly trying to find things  do for for his players apart from just whatever recruiting bounce it generates (which is probably not much). For instance, a lot of undergraduates get to go abroad to study in academic programs and revenue athletes normally can't participate in any of that. I doubt people outside a modern university environment consider that. 

One the field I've been disappointed mostly by Brown's defenses, which put up great stats against weak teams and fold against ones that can execute a little, and the inexplicable failures at the QB spot. The injuries to Spieght were bad luck, but while I know he has his defenders, I still think Patterson was as poor a thrower as I have seen play at UM and Harbaugh played him for two years.

I thought Patterson was solid in 2018 but completely collapsed in 2019.  In 2018 he was 8th in all of college football in total QBR, top 10 in "big time throws", and was 12th in PFF's grade.    

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On 4/28/2020 at 11:38 PM, RandyMarsh said:

I thought Patterson was solid in 2018 but completely collapsed in 2019.  In 2018 he was 8th in all of college football in total QBR, top 10 in "big time throws", and was 12th in PFF's grade.    

Story here about his fall from grace. He did certainly come out of the gate like gangbusters in the non-conference portion of his 1st season at UM, but after that.....

I think part of it also came down to the fall off in his running threat. Once the B10 started I don't think they wanted  to risk their QB running so much against better competition but once the his threat to run went down - probably both by scheme (Harbaugh trying to get him to a more pro style) and by virtue of playing against faster players he couldn't outrun, his behind the line of scrimmage limitations became more pronounced.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/04/30/michigan-football-shea-patterson-nfl-draft-quarterback/3053501001/

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On 4/30/2020 at 5:26 PM, Gehringer_2 said:

Story here about his fall from grace. He did certainly come out of the gate like gangbusters in the non-conference portion of his 1st season at UM, but after that.....

I think part of it also came down to the fall off in his running threat. Once the B10 started I don't think they wanted  to risk their QB running so much against better competition but once the his threat to run went down - probably both by scheme (Harbaugh trying to get him to a more pro style) and by virtue of playing against faster players he couldn't outrun, his behind the line of scrimmage limitations became more pronounced.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/04/30/michigan-football-shea-patterson-nfl-draft-quarterback/3053501001/

Speaking of Patterson, he just signed with the Chiefs.  Surprised somebody picked him up.   

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4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Speaking of Patterson, he just signed with the Chiefs.  Surprised somebody picked him up.   

teams need extra practice QBs before a season.

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On 5/4/2020 at 9:34 AM, Gehringer_2 said:

teams need extra practice QBs before a season.

Don't you still want a QB that can actually hit a receiver though?

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4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Don't you still want a QB that can actually hit a receiver though?

well, with Shea you would get a good idea of any receiver's ability to adjust to the ball.

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Interesting public comments from the UM prez. I don’t believe a word of it though.   He couldn’t  hold UM out if everyone else chose to play.   He would be killing the program.   Harbaugh would  quit, most of the players and recruits would  leave and Schlissel would be fired and have to move to Ohio to instantly become their most popular person.    

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3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Interesting public comments from the UM prez. I don’t believe a word of it though.   He couldn’t  hold UM out if everyone else chose to play.   He would be killing the program.   Harbaugh would  quit, most of the players and recruits would  leave and Schlissel would be fired and have to move to Ohio to instantly become their most popular person.    

Believe it. He would not have made the statement without the Regents behind him. Not to mention the faculty would probably walk out on him if they they have to teach remotely and the FB teams get to play. Also not to mention he has bigger fish to fry. The Hospital system has been losing as much money in a month as the annual AD budget.

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It probably shouldn’t be this way but I’m guessing many alumni are more concerned with the well being of the football team than the hospital or the faculty.   It would set the program back years if the majority of college football played the season and Michigan sat out.  I don’t think it would go over well if Michigan sank to Illinois or Indiana level for the next decade.  

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2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It probably shouldn’t be this way but I’m guessing many alumni are more concerned with the well being of the football team than the hospital or the faculty.   It would set the program back years if the majority of college football played the season and Michigan sat out.  I don’t think it would go over well if Michigan sank to Illinois or Indiana level for the next decade.  

I think most of the most militant Michigan football fans in MI are not the Alums.

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16 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It probably shouldn’t be this way but I’m guessing many alumni are more concerned with the well being of the football team than the hospital or the faculty.   It would set the program back years if the majority of college football played the season and Michigan sat out.  I don’t think it would go over well if Michigan sank to Illinois or Indiana level for the next decade.  

Don't forget - other programs have pointed out correctly enough that the TV revenue would cover the cost of operations for the team, but without the ticket revenue there is nothing in it for the rest of university to generate support. If no team/no TV is no worse than a wash money wise, the school loses a lot of the financial motivation. The loss of year of play in the face of all the other issues going on, and frankly for a team not really expected to do much anyway - just doesn't strike me as sending shudders down the spines of UM top admin. 

Now I think there is a good chance they will be playing, but I think that mostly because I think we are doing in class ed this fall.

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I agree there’s a good chance they keep playing but the situation is evolving quickly.    These comments wouldn’t have raised an eye a month ago when it looked like this may be the norm but not now with conferences looking to have players back on campus next week.  
 

I’m not sure how they keep their players if UM is an outlier and one of let’s say 10% of schools that don’t play.  Players won’t even be allowed to practice or train and it’s a wasted year for them.   If the NCAA grants an immediate hardship transfer that would open the door for a waterfall of players to leave.   Even if the NCAA made them sit out a year to transfer,  players still would get to train on campus with their new team which would help them much more than being on their own.  
 

I imagine it would take years to rebuild the program if more than half the team left.   

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There will be a lot of disappointed 3* recruits if Michigan decides not to play.

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On 5/25/2020 at 9:45 PM, Gehringer_2 said:

Believe it. He would not have made the statement without the Regents behind him. Not to mention the faculty would probably walk out on him if they they have to teach remotely and the FB teams get to play. Also not to mention he has bigger fish to fry. The Hospital system has been losing as much money in a month as the annual AD budget.

michigan announced today they will be open in the fall and have students back on campus.

football will happen, maybe not in the fall, but it will happen.

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well, sort of. They really didn't say much of anything they hadn't already said and obfuscated most of that. The Pres and Provost weren't even using the same timetable of the release of the 'final' decisions, in addition Schlissel said nothing at all has gone to the Regents yet. That said, students will be back in A^2 barring some unforeseen disaster. What we are going to do with them is less clear. That was an hour of time spent to hear maybe 30 seconds of actionable intelligence.

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23 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

well, sort of. They really didn't say much of anything they hadn't already said and obfuscated most of that. The Pres and Provost weren't even using the same timetable of the release of the 'final' decisions, in addition Schlissel said nothing at all has gone to the Regents yet. That said, students will be back in A^2 barring some unforeseen disaster. What we are going to do with them is less clear. That was an hour of time spent to hear maybe 30 seconds of actionable intelligence.

But will those very smart students be safe?   I mean, they don't know how to look into the street before stepping in front of moving traffic, so there is ALWAYS a danger in Ann Arbor.    

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18 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

But will those very smart students be safe?   I mean, they don't know how to look into the street before stepping in front of moving traffic, so there is ALWAYS a danger in Ann Arbor.    

seriously, this is the big fear, and of course it's mostly for the older faculty. We are going to have all kinds of advice and procedures in place for students when they return, but we don't have a clue if they are going to hold themselves to them. I have to doubt it - as does anyone who was once 18.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

seriously, this is the big fear, and of course it's mostly for the older faculty. We are going to have all kinds of advice and procedures in place for students when they return, but we don't have a clue if they are going to hold themselves to them. I have to doubt it - as does anyone who was once 18.

When I was 18 I was invincible.     Now I am vincible 

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For anyone that still wanted Harbaugh to return this season, has today's game changed your mind at all? If it hasn't what more are you expecting to see out of a Harbaugh coached team?

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I am done this team is trash. Now that is not all the coaches fault. It is time to loosen the academic requirements to play. it is time to start giving money to recruits and it is time to start bribing the refs. and yes fire the coach. 

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22 minutes ago, Aaron said:

I am done this team is trash. Now that is not all the coaches fault. It is time to loosen the academic requirements to play. it is time to start giving money to recruits and it is time to start bribing the refs. and yes fire the coach. 

One of the guys on the ticket was saying the Rich Rod is on record somewhere talking about not being allowed to recruit various 5 stars as the school would not admit them.

The thing is, even if you 'let guys in' that doesn't solve the problem, you have to have a faculty that is willing to go along and pass them through or they loose their eligibility anyway. That can be tougher to do at a Michigan where faculty  face big  peer pressure not to become know as managers of puff classes. The admin usually puts out a letter each year asking for faculty cooperation for athletes in varsity sports. All it does is PO most of the faculty I've ever had to work on accommodations with.

That said, Wisconsin is also a pretty highly ranked B10 school and they seem to manage without big academic scandals.

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Yeah but lets be honest they have a great running game each year and that is all. Wisconsin that is. When they played any contenders they get stuffed and embarrassed. 

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22 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Yeah but lets be honest they have a great running game each year and that is all. Wisconsin that is. When they played any contenders they get stuffed and embarrassed. 

at least they have an identity and always do something well. Frankly, I don't see any other B10 school beside maybe PSU competing effectively with OSU for the immediate future. There are structural, governance and culture reasons that certain football teams emerge as perennial powerhouses. A Michigan should be able to match Wisconsin/MSU/Iowa from year to year, but I think the path to where OSU/Alabama/Clemson are is closed to them for now. It's not 1970 any more, or even 1990.

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I've got nothing left to say but fire Jim Harbaugh. I don't know how anyone in the Michigan fanbase puts up with this bum. Everyone down at Schembechler Hall should be embarrassed to show their face around town.

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