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Starting this thread to be a repository for wild media moments or screwups (left, center and right)... I'm sure folks are tired of seeing me posting them all the times in random threads.

So, to begin:

 

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11 hours ago, pfife said:

 

I still can't believe the media had a whole cycle on the Bret Stephens thing.... 

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We've discussed the journalistic credentials of Andy Ngo in the potpourri thread, but this episode of the podcast Behind the Bastards does a great job diving into his career, his lack of journalistic ethics, and why you should take anything he says with a grain of salt.

https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts/andy-ngo-the-next-generation-of-news-grifter.htm

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4 hours ago, mtutiger said:

We've discussed the journalistic credentials of Andy Ngo in the potpourri thread, but this episode of the podcast Behind the Bastards does a great job diving into his career, his lack of journalistic ethics, and why you should take anything he says with a grain of salt.

https://www.behindthebastards.com/podcasts/andy-ngo-the-next-generation-of-news-grifter.htm

So, I get that the thread is dedicated to media and by all accounts, Andy Ngo is that, but there is a part of me thinking it's a bit ironic that you've called me out for considering CNN as MSM, yet your third post on this thread dedicated to Media is for a guy that was writing at a college newspaper two years ago and has worked predominantly in Portland and on a specific topic.  I learned this fact after I looked him up as I had no idea who he was and only then remembered him for a past antic.  Furthermore the podcast (which does sound interesting and may be great) that you use as a link to cover this guy has less facebook likes than The Detroit Cast which is a Drew and Mike spinoff focusing on a Detroit (mostly) market.

Again, nothing necessarily wrong with the post, but definitely makes me wonder what you use to obtain your news if this is the guy that comes to the top of your head when you think of media meltdowns.

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37 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

So, I get that the thread is dedicated to media and by all accounts, Andy Ngo is that, but there is a part of me thinking it's a bit ironic that you've called me out for considering CNN as MSM, yet your third post on this thread dedicated to Media is for a guy that was writing at a college newspaper two years ago and has worked predominantly in Portland and on a specific topic.  I learned this fact after I looked him up as I had no idea who he was and only then remembered him for a past antic.  Furthermore the podcast (which does sound interesting and may be great) that you use as a link to cover this guy has less facebook likes than The Detroit Cast which is a Drew and Mike spinoff focusing on a Detroit (mostly) market.

Again, nothing necessarily wrong with the post, but definitely makes me wonder what you use to obtain your news if this is the guy that comes to the top of your head when you think of media meltdowns.

The "journalist" in question was defended by folks on this board when mainstream media outlets (ie. NBC News) wrote columns based in part on his accounts of protests in Portland. And he was defended on this board as a journalist by virtue of his work with Quillette. Are they not a media outlet?

Regarding the second bolded post, who cares? Credibility isn't based on how many Facebook likes you have, it's based off the quality of work. Robert Evans is definitely on the left... when I listen to him, I am fully aware of that bias. But the actual work journalistic work done is pretty good. His work with Bellingcat post-El Paso was excellent as well.

I'd encourage you to listen to his podcast. He does have a bias, but he is fair and he corrects his mistakes.

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24 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The "journalist" in question was defended by folks on this board when mainstream media outlets (ie. NBC News) wrote columns based in part on his accounts of protests in Portland. And he was defended on this board as a journalist by virtue of his work with Quillette. Are they not a media outlet?

Regarding the second bolded post, who cares? Credibility isn't based on how many Facebook likes you have, it's based off the quality of work. Robert Evans is definitely on the left... when I listen to him, I am fully aware of that bias. But the actual work journalistic work done is pretty good. His work with Bellingcat post-El Paso was excellent as well.

I'd encourage you to listen to his podcast. He does have a bias, but he is fair and he corrects his mistakes.

I'm a big podcast fan and a history buff, so I definitely will.  I'll recommend The Dollop, history and left wing hosts, how can you go wrong?

I really wonder who defended him on this board (outside of Stan).  I had to look up Quillette, looks like they are a media outlet.  I see they are associated with the Intellectual Dark Web which interests me, but somewhat surprised those center/left would defend them as a media outlet.  

I will say I'm interested in the comment 'quality of work'?  Does that include all their work, or only the part folks care to agree with?  I've posted articles by Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who are respected only to have their thoughts completely discredited based on other things they have said.  

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5 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I'm a big podcast fan and a history buff, so I definitely will.  I'll recommend The Dollop, history and left wing hosts, how can you go wrong?

I really wonder who defended him on this board (outside of Stan).  I had to look up Quillette, looks like they are a media outlet.  I see they are associated with the Intellectual Dark Web which interests me, but somewhat surprised those center/left would defend them as a media outlet.  

I will say I'm interested in the comment 'quality of work'?  Does that include all their work, or only the part folks care to agree with?  I've posted articles by Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who are respected only to have their thoughts completely discredited based on other things they have said.  

Actually started listening to The Dollop recently.

The debate happened back around July 1st and 2nd in the Potpourri thread. Feel free to visit. Andy Ngo was on the ground in Portland influencing events via his position with Quillette. Basically claiming being a journalist without being one.

Again, I've given my reasons why I dont find Taibbi or Greenwald particularly persuasive. Whether you choose to accept them or not is up to you.

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8 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Actually started listening to The Dollop recently.

The debate happened back around July 1st and 2nd in the Potpourri thread. Feel free to visit. Andy Ngo was on the ground in Portland influencing events via his position with Quillette. Basically claiming being a journalist without being one.

Again, I've given my reasons why I dont find Taibbi or Greenwald particularly persuasive. Whether you choose to accept them or not is up to you.

You don't have to find them particularly persuasive.  Again, I just find the fact that they are so easily dismissed when a guy that you are now claiming isn't even a journalist gets featured in your 'media meltdowns' thread.

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31 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

You don't have to find them particularly persuasive.  Again, I just find the fact that they are so easily dismissed when a guy that you are now claiming isn't even a journalist gets featured in your 'media meltdowns' thread.

Others claimed he was a journalist on this very forum. My basis of my post was self explanatory.

I'm not sure what Matt Taibbi or Glenn Greenwald have to do with this discussion.

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6 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Others claimed he was a journalist on this very forum. My basis of my post was self explanatory.

FWIW, i'd be interested if you went back and read that thread from July 1-2 and see if your memory matches what you read today.

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8 hours ago, mtutiger said:

The "journalist" in question was defended by folks on this board when mainstream media outlets (ie. NBC News) wrote columns based in part on his accounts of protests in Portland. And he was defended on this board as a journalist by virtue of his work with Quillette. Are they not a media outlet?

Regarding the second bolded post, who cares? Credibility isn't based on how many Facebook likes you have, it's based off the quality of work. Robert Evans is definitely on the left... when I listen to him, I am fully aware of that bias. But the actual work journalistic work done is pretty good. His work with Bellingcat post-El Paso was excellent as well.

I'd encourage you to listen to his podcast. He does have a bias, but he is fair and he corrects his mistakes.

I heard Robert Evans on the Harmontown podcast.  He was very interesting.  He draws the line about the dudes in their basement culture.  What he doesn't quite draw the line from is the Russian offensive doctrine of information dominance as a tool of war.  But why would he, he's looking at it from a different angle. 

 

Greenwald among others (Snowden as his prop) was a tool of that doctrine.

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19 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

FWIW, i'd be interested if you went back and read that thread from July 1-2 and see if your memory matches what you read today.

I did go back. My point still stands.

Way to thread police, btw.... just because you think he's insignificant doesn't mean he's not worthy of discussion

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13 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

I heard Robert Evans on the Harmontown podcast.  He was very interesting.  He draws the line about the dudes in their basement culture.  What he doesn't quite draw the line from is the Russian offensive doctrine of information dominance as a tool of war.  But why would he, he's looking at it from a different angle. 

Part of what makes him so good, IMO... he knows his lane and stays within it for the most part.

His two-part on Bashar al-Assad was great... really pulled no punches about the far-left defenders and downplayers as well.

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I think Taibbi is great, and has been for a long time.  He was a voice of reason and truth back in 08-09 financial melt down.  I suspect may judge journalistic integrity on tribal leanings.  Another I like, who tells it like it is, is the Aussie Caitlan Johnstone (hardly a conservative, but will ruffle the feathers of either tribe).  A recent example;

WaPo Warns USA Needs More Narrative Control As Pentagon Ramps Up Narrative Control

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I had a lot more respect for Taibbi before he was terribly wrong about Russian collusion and gloated about how right he was.

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1 hour ago, pfife said:

I had a lot more respect for Taibbi before he was terribly wrong about Russian collusion and gloated about how right he was.

It's been eye-opening to see, for a couple of journalists like Taibbi and Greenwald who rail against imperialism when pursued by the United States, how willing they are to make excuses, downplay or ignore other forms of imperialism practiced by other countries. Particularly Russia.

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15 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I did go back. My point still stands.

Way to thread police, btw.... just because you think he's insignificant doesn't mean he's not worthy of discussion

Again, wasn't trying to thread police, just thought there was something worth noting.  I often refer to MSM and you, more than anyone, force me to specify who I mean when I say MSM, then I consistently use and point out media outlets that tend to be larger and towards the center to ensure I'm not defining a overly skewed and minuscule perspective.  Often just to be told that no one pays attention to those anyway (you've said it several times with CNN).  

So, on a thread that you create to outline media meltdowns, here is this miniscule player that got his 15 minutes of fame over the summer.  Seemed funny to me.

As for folks on this page defending this "journalist", I really don't see how we're reading the same thing.

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This is where we post the idiocy of people toward the press as well?

oh so this goes here

 

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8 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Again, wasn't trying to thread police...

But you did anyway.

Just give it a rest, dude.

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For some reason Ronan Farrow is trending this morning.  That guy is reporter. 

hey the subject matter is Media!

 

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47 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

This is where we post the idiocy of people toward the press as well?

As far as I'm concerned, anything media related (no matter how big or how percieved insignificant, left center or right) is fair game. 

But others may disagree.

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Just now, mtutiger said:

As far as I'm concerned, anything media related (no matter how big or how percieved insignificant, left center or right) is fair game. 

But others may disagree.

Its a great thread idea.  You don't need my affirmation but I think it is. 

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