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17 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I thought there were supposed to be rules against paying over slot anymore - or was the only  penalty ever just depletion of your own pool?

The latter.

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6 minutes ago, apabruce said:

The latter.

If that's all it is, and given the way MLB draft success drops off so fast past the 1st round, I'm surprised more teams don't continue outbidding teams ahead of them for picks. If I were a baseball GM I think I'd rather use all my money to maneuver a way to a couple of top picks each year and forget about not having anything left for the later round talent lottery.

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3 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

If that's all it is, and given the way MLB draft success drops off so fast past the 1st round, I'm surprised more teams don't continue outbidding teams ahead of them for picks. If I were a baseball GM I think I'd rather use all my money to maneuver a way to a couple of top picks each year and forget about not having anything left for the later round talent lottery.

I believe you have to offer at least 40 percent of slot value for any given choice, so you can't put all your money on one player.

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3 minutes ago, apabruce said:

I believe you have to offer at least 40 percent of slot value for any given choice, so you can't put all your money on one player.

It would make sense there are other constraints or I can't imagine teams not gaming it more.

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15 minutes ago, apabruce said:

I believe you have to offer at least 40 percent of slot value for any given choice, so you can't put all your money on one player.

I tried to find where I read the 40 percent thing and I couldn't find it in 15 minutes of looking, which is all the time I have right now.

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isn't that why teams start drafting college seniors in the middle rounds, because they have zero leverage and can be signed cheaply?

 

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Yeah, that's one way GMs still tinker with slot money. Iirc the Tigers went way over slot to sign Reynaldo Rivera

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33 minutes ago, leflore said:

Yeah, that's one way GMs still tinker with slot money. Iirc the Tigers went way over slot to sign Reynaldo Rivera

$300K underslot

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8 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

$300K underslot

My bad, you're right. They took him so hi because they knew he would sign for under. Nobody had him near that hi, 2nd rd. Or maybe my brain is just gone, which could be the case.

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9 hours ago, leflore said:

My bad, you're right. They took him so hi because they knew he would sign for under. Nobody had him near that hi, 2nd rd. Or maybe my brain is just gone, which could be the case.

correct on both accounts.

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22 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

It would make sense there are other constraints or I can't imagine teams not gaming it more.

Isn't the following still true (bonus pool in total, I'm not talking about individual draft pick allotments):

"A team that exceeds its bonus pool by 0-5 percent must pay a 75 percent tax on the overage. The penalties get much harsher after that: the loss of a first-round pick and a 75 percent tax for blowing past a bonus pool by more than 5 and up to 10 percent; the loss of first- and second-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 10 and up to 15 percent; and the loss of two-first-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 15 percent."

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10 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

correct on both accounts.

My ex wife was right all along

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I saw an article by someone or other suggesting the Tigers should at least consider drafting Zac Veen with the first pick, then using the bonus savings to get better players with their later picks. 

I know Veen has power, but I don't know much else. Does he know how to take a base on balls? Is he a good outfielder?

The downside is he's a high school player, so he will take longer to make it to the big leagues than Torkelson.

Here is the article: https://motorcitybengals.com/2020/05/28/detroit-tigers-will-zac-veen-steal-scene-spencer-torkelson/

 

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5 hours ago, Topliner03 said:

I saw an article by someone or other suggesting the Tigers should at least consider drafting Zac Veen with the first pick, then using the bonus savings to get better players with their later picks. 

I know Veen has power, but I don't know much else. Does he know how to take a base on balls? Is he a good outfielder?

The downside is he's a high school player, so he will take longer to make it to the big leagues than Torkelson.

Here is the article: https://motorcitybengals.com/2020/05/28/detroit-tigers-will-zac-veen-steal-scene-spencer-torkelson/

 

Makes no sense to me. I'd rather have Tork.

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This isn't a normal year. Players who are ranked high will sign. Just draft and sign the best players you have on your board. The first is the most important.

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I have to think the teams that are not paying their minor leaguers will have a hard time signing a $20K UDFA.

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The first 3 rounds are protected.  If you don’t sign the pick, you get the same pick next year.   I wonder how many teams will pick HS players and offer a lowball salary 40% below slot and essentially punt on picking this year.  

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44 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

The first 3 rounds are protected.  If you don’t sign the pick, you get the same pick next year.   I wonder how many teams will pick HS players and offer a lowball salary 40% below slot and essentially punt on picking this year.  

This is a strong draft and you already have few picks and the payout is deferred, I don't see too many going this route.

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I do think most and maybe all will draft.   It is an interesting possibility especially since there hasn’t been a proper evaluation period for any of these players and none of them will play until next year.   

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3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

The first 3 rounds are protected.  If you don’t sign the pick, you get the same pick next year.   I wonder how many teams will pick HS players and offer a lowball salary 40% below slot and essentially punt on picking this year.  

I don’t think any team would actually do something like that. Using some high school kid’s draft rights, and basically forcing him to go to college, as a tool that provides maybe a nominal benefit doesn’t seem worth the potential costs down the line. 
 

if you want to do something like that, draft a kid that you know would want over slot money, and limit the offer to the slot. 

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2 hours ago, Shelton said:

I don’t think any team would actually do something like that. Using some high school kid’s draft rights, and basically forcing him to go to college, as a tool that provides maybe a nominal benefit doesn’t seem worth the potential costs down the line. 
 

if you want to do something like that, draft a kid that you know would want over slot money, and limit the offer to the slot. 

I think there’s actually a large benefit.   This is probably the most incomplete draft evaluation period in history.   There’s no data for HS kids for their entire Senior year.  It’s tough enough to project HS kids normally but now they have to do it from when they were 16. College kids were able to play a few games but still lots missing on them.      I think there’s enough consensus on who the top players are in the 1st round but if given the option why not think about passing on your 2nd and 3rd rounders until next year when the draft will be deeper and can be scouted properly.   

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