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34 minutes ago, Oblong said:

The bastards will now start talking about the need to “delay” the election... it’s not fair, etc etc. 

I am still suspicious that they are playing games to set up a “comeback” story.   Or they think it’s all falling apart and every man/woman for himself. None of these people have any loyalty to each other.  

Exactly this. Not a comeback back but a "resurrection."

If everything goes awry then it is indeed every man/woman for themselves.

He will still get re-elected. No way he goes to jail.

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11 minutes ago, The Ronz said:

Exactly this. Not a comeback back but a "resurrection."

Even assuming this is valid, nobody will give a **** about the "resurrection"... they'll see it (and all the people around him who have been infected) as an extension of his irresponsible and reckless behavior that made COVID as bad as it is in this country. And which has also tanked his polls

I just subscribe to Occam's Razor on this... the simplest explanation is that he got infected, others around him got infected, and each successive decision has been motivated by their interpretation of whatever the correct political move would be. And, in keeping with the general incompetence of the administration, the moves they have made have backfired.

Just because something happens involving this administration doesn't make it a part of some broad brilliant scheme or strategy.

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Just now, mtutiger said:

Even assuming this is valid, nobody will give a **** about the "resurrection"... they'll see it (and all the people around him who have been infected) as an extension of his irresponsible behavior that made COVID as bad as it is in this country.

I just subscribed Occams Razor on this... the simplest explanation is that he got infected, others around him got infected, and each successive decision has been motivated by their interpretation of whatever the correct political move would be. And, in keeping with the general incompetence of the administration, they moves they have made have backfired.

Yeah - if it had just been Hope Hicks and the 1st couple I could easily have bought into it being a scam, but once the circle expanded it's no longer a credible concept - for instance there is no way George Conway is faking along with some scheme of Kellyanne's. OTOH, I think we still have to take admin reporting on his actual condition with several kg of salt.

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The decision to Walter Reed, by itself, to me isn't a big deal because he's got to quarantine.  Walter Reed has an elaborate Presidential Suite that's secure and allows them to do almost anything they can do elsewhere, aside from the WH and AF1. It's an easy decision in that if the slightest chance he does turn for the worse then they're already there. Better to walk/ride there then to be wheeled there on a stretcher.  The optics are better.   It sets up "Rally around the President" slogans and gets people hanging outside the hospital praying for him.... almost as good as a rally.

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When I say a set up.. I'm referring specifically to the "going to Walter Reed" portion of it. I'm not convinced that is not a ploy.  Obviously they aren't faking covid or didn't set up an exposure event intentionally.  I don't see it as an elaborate scheme to milk a situation for optimal benefit.  Nobody's covid diagnosis is fake.  

 

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1 minute ago, Oblong said:

The decision to Walter Reed, by itself, to me isn't a big deal because he's got to quarantine.  Walter Reed has an elaborate Presidential Suite that's secure and allows them to do almost anything they can do elsewhere, aside from the WH and AF1. It's an easy decision in that if the slightest chance he does turn for the worse then they're already there. Better to walk/ride there then to be wheeled there on a stretcher.  The optics are better.   It sets up "Rally around the President" slogans and gets people hanging outside the hospital praying for him.... almost as good as a rally.

The man has spent his entire life with a phobia of hospitals and views being in one as a sign of weakness, according to Maggie Haberman and others.

I don't think he'd be there if there was no "there" there

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Just now, mtutiger said:

The man has spent his entire life with a phobia of hospitals and views being in one as a sign of weakness, according to Maggie Haberman and others.

I don't think he'd be there if there was no "there" there

There is scam potential in the Twitter account of course. Like Big Brother, nobody sees who's typing the twitter feed. It would be pretty hard to know if we were in another Mrs. Wilson situation from that.

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11 minutes ago, Oblong said:

When I say a set up.. I'm referring specifically to the "going to Walter Reed" portion of it. I'm not convinced that is not a ploy.  Obviously they aren't faking covid or didn't set up an exposure event intentionally.  I don't see it as an elaborate scheme to milk a situation for optimal benefit.  Nobody's covid diagnosis is fake.  

 

Understood.

I just don't buy that he thinks there is any way the optics of a hospital stay are good. Even if he recovers miraculously.

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20 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I don't think he'd be there if there was no "there" there

How do you/we/anyone know he is "there." 😉

As I understand it the statue of limitations for a Federal crime is five years.

If he gets re-elected he is supposedly "immune" to prosecution thus the five year clock runs out.

He will do anything to get re-elected and thus run out the clock on any Federal crimes.

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3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Understood.

I just don't buy that he thinks there is any way the optics of a hospital stay are good. Even if he recovers miraculously.

agree - not the 1st move of your typical narcissistic ego-maniacal sociopath. I think he had to have felt bad enough to have been persuaded that if he didn't walk out yesterday he would soon have to be carried out.  Of course given the lack of personal courage that has to be assumed in Trump's case, it might not have taken feeling that sick to scare him ****less.

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37 minutes ago, The Ronz said:

How do you/we/anyone know he is "there." 😉

As I understand it the statue of limitations for a Federal crime is five years.

If he gets re-elected he is supposedly "immune" to prosecution thus the five year clock runs out.

He will do anything to get re-elected and thus run out the clock on any Federal crimes.

Agree about his desperation to stay in office, but hard for me to see any path out of this game that actually helps his re-election. However, I grant that it is true that the Hail Marys that desperate candidates throw often do appear irrational and end up being counter productive ("I am suspending my campaign today..").

Indeed, I'm sure Trump is aware of the 5 yr rule. OTOH, SDNY could issue a sealed indictment that would be held until he was out of office on the grounds that as President he was not available for 'apprehension'. That might stand up, but of course trying to prosecute a case an additional 4 yrs after the fact has its own problems.

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6 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Well, if the number gets to 7 GOP Senators, McConnell will not be able to call a session into order without risking losing his chair. 😱:D

actually as Jennifer Rubin points out today,  it's closer than that. If the GOP is down two who are in quarantine (or hospitalized), it only takes  *one* more GOP Senator to coordinate with the Dems to deny Mitch a quorum. The Senate would not be able to vote.

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14 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

actually as Jennifer Rubin points out today,  it's closer than that. If the GOP is down two who are in quarantine (or hospitalized), it only takes  *one* more GOP Senator to coordinate with the Dems to deny Mitch a quorum. The Senate would not be able to vote.

Yeah but that would be such a breach of senate protocol and decorum and Mitch would never do such a thing in reverse. Should take the high road. 

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You guys, (and gals too),   If Biden was the one in the hospital with COVID,  Trump would be on Twitter mocking him and calling him weak and old.  He'd be making fun of him at rallies with the Klan members (crowd) laughing and cheering.   

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1 minute ago, Oblong said:

Yeah but that would be such a breach of senate protocol and decorum and Mitch would never do such a thing in reverse. Should take the high road. 

Needs teal.

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As others have said, I no longer think this is a ploy. I think he’s in some significant health trouble.

I do think this was a plan to pwn the libs that backfired though. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he first tested positive without symptoms on Tuesday or Wednesday and told no one with the intention to come out in the second debate (or sooner) and throw out “I had COVID and y’all didn’t even know!”. Then he got sicker and sicker and that plan went out the window of AF1 on the way to Walter Reed.

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47 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Agree about his desperation to stay in office, but hard for me to see any path out of this game that actually helps his re-election. However, I grant that it is true that the Hail Marys that desperate candidates throw often do appear irrational and end up being counter productive ("I am suspending my campaign today..").

Indeed, I'm sure Trump is aware of the 5 yr rule. OTOH, SDNY could issue a sealed indictment that would be held until he was out of office on the grounds that as President he was not available for 'apprehension'. That might stand up, but of course trying to prosecute a case an additional 4 yrs after the fact has its own problems.

This also assumes that Trump wouldn't continue to commit federal crimes during a second term.

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Just now, MichiganCardinal said:

As others have said, I no longer think this is a ploy. I think he’s in some significant health trouble.

I do think this was a plan to pwn the libs that backfired though. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he first tested positive without symptoms on Tuesday or Wednesday and told no one with the intention to come out in the second debate (or sooner) and throw out “I had COVID and y’all didn’t even know!”. Then he got sicker and sicker and that plan went out the window of AF1 on the way to Walter Reed.

I mean, hearing that the Trump team knew someone they brought to that debate had COVID and they didn't tell anyone.........that's horrendous and it shows how he\s not qualified to be the leader of a night shift at a Wal-Mart, much less a nation.  

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3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Trump: shows time and time again for 74 years that doesn’t give a **** about anyone but himself.

Trump: doesn’t give a **** about anyone but himself when he tests positive for COVID.

Staffers: 

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1 minute ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Trump: shows time and time again for 74 years that doesn’t give a **** about anyone but himself.

Trump: doesn’t give a **** about anyone but himself when he tests positive for COVID.

Staffers: 

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They just got that now?   How racist were they?   

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11 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

They just got that now?   How racist were they?   

just pretty, pretty....pretty racist

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14 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Trump: shows time and time again for 74 years that doesn’t give a **** about anyone but himself.

Trump: doesn’t give a **** about anyone but himself when he tests positive for COVID.

Staffers: 

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This fact is so ******* obvious and millions still fall for his act.  

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