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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

I did some research on the 2016 election... more of a refresher, and I forgot how close it was at the time.  I had this thing in my head where she was up 5-7 points and it was in the bag.

yeah - this is the thing. Ironically, the media largely stopped covering the horse race aspect after the 1st debate because the assumption was that Clinton's lead was unassailable so late in the campaign. That has left a lot of people with the impression that the election was a huge upset. And it was wrt conditions in late Sept, but not by the measure of where the polling had closed to by election day.

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2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I don't agree. The Trump strategy is to find a way to not allow the mail in voting. He keeps screaming like Adolf that there's way too much cheating possible with mail in voting. With zero proof or evidence. And again, his base just eats up his 20,000+ lies as truth.

the Wisconsin Green Party lawsuit to block the absentee ballots was filed by a GOP law firm.

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Charlie Sykes and SV Date agree that the Senate GOP members who didn't vote on the unemployment package are positioning themselves for Trump's defeat so they can come out as fiscal conservatives.   They smell the future.

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12 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - this is the thing. Ironically, the media largely stopped covering the horse race aspect after the 1st debate because the assumption was that Clinton's lead was unassailable so late in the campaign. That has left a lot of people with the impression that the election was a huge upset. And it was wrt conditions in late Sept, but not by the measure of where the polling had closed to by election day.

The perception of that race too, IMO, was somewhat influenced by an attitude of, "Come on, there's no way Americans are actually gonna elect this guy" that lent itself to that feeling of inevitability.

That's a major difference this year... people don't buy that he can't win again because he's, well, President right now 

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I know it's not totally relevant but I listened to Martin Short on Marc Maron's podcast and among the things they discussed was Canada and the US and Short didn't seem worried....he said "Look, 2016 was a typo.... Americans have seen what he is.... that won't happen again".

 

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1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

The perception of that race too, IMO, was somewhat influenced by an attitude of, "Come on, there's no way Americans are actually gonna elect this guy" that lent itself to that feeling of inevitability.

That's a major difference this year... people don't buy that he can't win again because he's, well, President right now 

And for that reason, I don't think as many people are going to sit this one out. 

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This guy has to go now

 He cannot remain in this administration past this afternoon.  

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3 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

This guy has to go now

 He cannot remain in this administration past this afternoon.  

Remember this guy works for Russians

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Government officials calling for armed insurrection to thwart a fair election.  Cannot be abided.

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26 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Government officials calling for armed insurrection to thwart a fair election.  Cannot be abided.

At least their not trying to cause a panic. 

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

At least their not trying to cause a panic. 

My blood is boiling (as it was intended to be).   I'm so pissed about this clown being able to sashay from Putin's court to ours and spread this bull****.

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Just like Coronavirus, climate change is just gonna up and disappear folks.

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Conspiracy theorists do that because it lets them claim anything without evidence. “Nobody knows anything” is a convenient thing to fall back on when making arguments because you can say whatever bat**** crazy thing you want.  
 

One guy was wrong in the 70s about global cooling therefore all scientists are wrong now. 

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13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I still don't understand what is to be gained by denying science? 

Science gets in the way of making money.  

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I haven't done this before but I just made the rounds of my Representative, my two senators to call for Caputo to resign. 

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17 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I still don't understand what is to be gained by denying science? 

I will defend and fight for science from here all the way to the edge of our disc-shaped Earth !

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17 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Science gets in the way of making money.  

It also gets in the way of so-called religious miracles, which often times have to do with money. I'm Jimmy Swaggert and if you send me $50 I'll send you this green prayer cloth and a bottle of my miracle water from the fountain of blessings. Science also helps to explain the so-called miracles that religious people go around believing is the truth and nothing but. Water into win, loaves into fishes, making the blind have sight, etc. If science disproves those things as not possible or only proves that science and technology itself can cause those things to happen, it punctures a hole in the whole miracle thing.

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37 minutes ago, Oblong said:

One guy was wrong in the 70s about global cooling therefore all scientists are wrong now. 

Bill James observed something similar when advanced baseball metrics were being ridiculed 20-odd years ago.

He said the whole thing was akin to how he graduated high school with a guy who drank like a fish and drove recklessly.  Everyone was sure he'd die in a car crash before he was 30.  Boy were we all wrong.  He died in a car crash at age 37.

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