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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Marxism itself may be dead, but workplace democracy over the means of production and business decisions is not. Elizabeth Warren herself proposed giving workers 40% of the seats on a corporate board. And while workers in a workplace democracy would not make day-to-day decisions like how many napkins to order in the restaurant, how many staples we need in the mail room, and what the price should be for the latest model year F150, they should replace the shareholder and corporate board as the key decision maker in certain large-scale decisions. I think workplace Democracy's and co-operative work environments where employees are given a bigger voice and a vote are going to be the future if capitalism, if it is to survive. Sanders and Warren both know and understand that.

Take for example the T-Mobile and Sprint merger. In a workplace democracy a merger like that would be decided on by the workers. Ideally, there would be an election day/s where all employees would get a period of time (a day, 2 days, a week) to examine the information at hand, make a decision and vote on whether or not such a merger should go through. If Sprint employees vote yes and T-Mobile employees vote no, the merger fails and it doesn't go through.

What I think we need is a "Workplace Bill of Rights" where the federal government specifically outlays what decisions must be adopted by a vote of the workers (mergers, acquisitions, expenditures above a certain percentage of the companies estimate revenue, etc.) and all items not specifically listed in said bill of rights could then be made individually by managers and people within the company without a vote of the employees. So no, a waitress at Applebees isn't going to be voting on how many packages of frozen shrimp or napkins they need to order, but they would get a voice if Applebees decided to close down multiple stores or if the parent company decided merge with Friday's or Olive Garden.

Working in HR as I do, the other thing that we need is an end, or make serious changes, to at-will employment and employment laws in general. At-will employment is one of the biggest con jobs on workers. For all the people on the right who complain that unions make it harder to fire a bad worker, at-will employment allows for mass layoffs, staff reductions, and you to be fired for almost any reason the company deems acceptable. While they may not technically be able to fire you because you wore the wrong color tie or your boss doesn't like your socks, employers can simply justify your termination by any loose legal means and send you packing tomorrow.

This is where (and also on one-way trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP) politicians like Sanders and Warren and their progressive followers drastically differ from the mainstream of the Democratic Party on economics. There is no way, zero chance, Joe Biden would ever fight for a democratized workplace or an end to at-will employment. These are clear agendas that are only held by those on progressive left and in the democratic-socialist crowd and run in clear opposition with the mainstream of the party. Even if by some miracle Joe Biden had an epiphany on issues like these, Corporate America and the donor class would bark so loud, threaten to pull funding from future election cycles, and the candidate/s himself/themselves and party as a whole would simply acquiesce and back down.

I don't have a single issue with anything you posit about the need to broaden the stakeholder profile in US corporate governance, but I think it misses the more important point really. The problem with the Sprint/T-Mobile merger is not that it was taken without enough public input, it is that it is profitable for the stakeholders in the first place.  You don't need to change who is in the boardroom to change how US business operates - though that is a totally worthwhile goal I support. It just isn't the biggest problem. The real problems are in the legal and (mostly) tax law that make these behaviors more profitable than supplying customer value is. As long as that profit incentive is there, even worker reps on a board wouldn't be immune from considering the same incentives. Fundamentally US corporate law and taxation favors transaction over production, dealers over producers. That has to change as a prerequisite to better corporate outcomes.

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26 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

this part was interesting.

The conventional wisdom today is that both parties are moving away from the center, but that is not how it usually works in the US. What we usually have is a centrist majority party and the minority party is  off to one side or the other. It would be ironic if the outcome of the Biden presidency was the Dems become the majority centrist party, with the minority party being on the right (as in 1964), as opposed to say 1980 where the GOP was considered centrist and the minority Dems were considered to be on the left. 

“Ally of the Light” is a bumper sticker that works

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This is a good example of how fraught some of these lower tier polls can be...

I totally buy that it's a mid- single digit race in these states, but I don't buy that MI is behind WI and PA right now

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The outlet weights its polls to account for a “social desirability bias,” or the so-called shy Trump voters who are embarrassed to tell pollsters they support his candidacy. In 2016, Trafalgar was the only polling outlet to show Trump leading in Michigan heading into Election Day.

Yeah, this seems basically like a form of unskewing.

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Imagine being afraid to admit you support someone who has been President for four years,    

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29 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Yeah, this seems basically like a form of unskewing.

It seems like paid propaganda

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50 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Not buying it. Trumpers seem proud of their of ignorance. 

Yep - and proud of being racist. It's astonishing really.

:alien:

 

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Nice to see.  I imagine he's the most communist GOP governor or something.  I don't know his story but he's GOP.

 

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"This is our moment to make hope and history rhyme."

I'm feeling really stupid here, but I don't get what that means.  I've Googled the phrase and understand it's from an Irish poem, and that Biden likes to quote Irish poets.  I guess I'm too literal.

Anyone want to try explaining it to an old man?  G_2, I would expect you to understand Irish poetry, because, well, you understand everything.

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I think it just means make both happen simultaneously / concurrently.

Its getting close to an early dinner time here on the west coast, so maybe it makes more sense after a couple glasses of wine.

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24 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Nice to see.  I imagine he's the most communist GOP governor or something.  I don't know his story but he's GOP.

 

According to Wikipedia fiscal conservative, pro choice 

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45 minutes ago, apabruce said:

Its getting close to an early dinner time here on the west coast, so maybe it makes more sense after a couple glasses of wine.

I also suspect that there is an assumed [in time], which, when added, reads:

"This is our moment [in time] to make hope and history rhyme."

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2 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

Nice to see.  I imagine he's the most communist GOP governor or something.  I don't know his story but he's GOP.

 

This is the same state that elects Bernie Sanders so I wouldn't expect a hardcore conservative. 

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10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This is the same state that elects Bernie Sanders so I wouldn't expect a hardcore conservative. 

Shrink their pie and grow our own pie.  All good.

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36 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Desperate 

First she has to run against the super interesting bi-sexual woman.  Then an astronaut married to a victim of a public assassination attempt.   Of course, she covered herself in dung by supporting Trump.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I also suspect that there is an assumed [in time], which, when added, reads:

"This is our moment [in time] to make hope and history rhyme."

maybe it works better in Gaelic....:D

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