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6 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

amusing thread

I'm interested.

Radical Centrist. I wouldn't squawk at being called that...

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Dana Carvey once called himself an "extreme moderate".  That was in the SNL book when he talked about doing Bush 41 and being invited to the WH after the 92 election to cheer up the troops after the loss.

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hmmm

Lots of comment about Demings being at a disadvantage because she only represents 1/27th of Florida.

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Never called myself a Reagan Democrat because I never was (my respect for him came after the fact...).

But I have called myself a Teddy Roosevelt Republican. 

Progressive Independent.

A Ferocious Liberal but that was in college and that went by the wayside pretty quickly since that was Reagan and I quickly modified to the center before I got out of college.

But... Radical Centrist or Progressive Independent work for me...

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Romney's campaign manager with a great essay today.

 

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2 hours ago, pfife said:

To be fair, I totally think his base is a bunch of fake Christians too, so I can understand why he would behave as if they are.

ETA:  To me, the most interesting part of that is that his base was appalled.

I think a portion of Trump's Christian base is fake, too. Mainly, those in a position to be thought leaders like megachurch preachers and the like. They know what bull**** it all is and they're out and out faking the whole thing while making huge bucks off all of it.

I think rank-and-file Christians believe they're honest Christians, and I'm willing to grant them their honest self-image. But they are also ignorant people, incapable of critical thought, who get their information about the right Christian way to think about things not from the New Testament, but from sound bites from the fake Christian thought leaders.

Oh, and also from Jesufied memes on Facebook.

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

I was a few years too late.... The Palin thing worried me..... but I was ok with Romney as POTUS.... it really wasn't until early 2016.  However it might have been earlier if Hillary hadn't been the presumed nominee... I didn't want her as POTUS until teh alternative became what it was.  

I warmed to Obama his final few years...

now I look back and cant believe how stupid I was.

If you were truly stupid, you'd never have been able to think your way out of it.

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58 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Hannity's hand job crazy pants town hall was nuts!

But this is off the charts loco

 

That's exactly what we would have expected out of the mouth of Trump.

The real crazypants part of this clip is that the audience reacted by clapping in agreement, rather than by staring in open-mouthed horror.

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9 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

They want to believe the lie.

It holds the same place in their psyches as a kind of dark religion

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On 6/25/2020 at 9:23 AM, ROMAD1 said:

Lets see how this plays out.   I would be amused to see it escalate.

 

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JVL in the Bulwark takes Peggy Noonan down a peg.  And then some.

https://mailchi.mp/thebulwark/the-republicans-comfort-themselves?e=76a02361a1

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Peggy Noonan has written one of her semi-regular columns where she ventures to observe that Donald Trump is manifestly unfit for office, before then waving her hands to equivocate and suggest that Joe Biden really hasn't done enough, just because he's leading the incumbent president by 14 points.

You see a lot of this from old guard Republicans.

They'll look at some Trump outrage—like the concentration camp sign-off with China, or the press conference where he floats injecting disinfectants—and they'll say, "This is just crazy town. This can't stand."

Then 48 hours later there's a riot in Madison. Or the New York Times editorial page does something stupid and they flip back to, "But the other side is so bad . . ." As if the rioters or the New York Times opinion section were on the ballot opposite President Trump.

And just like that—poof!—the absolutely unpardonable outrage is forgotten.

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Trump understands his base infinitely better than Peggy Noonan does. And he is playing a different game than she realizes.

Peggy Noonan still sees Donald Trump as an interloper who temporarily took control of an ideological movement and, when he fails to retain political power, will lose control of this movement.

But Trump has never cared about the ends which can be accomplished with political power. He cares about controlling the movement. Because it is an asset.

Trump has remade conservatism and the Republican party as a single cult of his own personality. And precisely because he never provided steadiness and seriousness, he will control this cult even after he exits the White House.

Noonan still imagines that the conservative movement and the Republican party as she prefers them are the "true" versions which are supported by a silent majority of partisans.

I would like to believe this, too.

But I don't.

 

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1 hour ago, ROMAD1 said:

JVL in the Bulwark takes Peggy Noonan down a peg.  And then some.

https://mailchi.mp/thebulwark/the-republicans-comfort-themselves?e=76a02361a1

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Romad, it all goes back the base problem that Reagan Republicans, among whom are a lot of honorable people, cannot come to terms with the fact that Reaganomics is a failure: that The Market, like any other intellectual construct, has limits to its application in the real world; that his country was not built by cowboy individualists but an entire social system co-operating with itself,  not in the least via the agency of good government; and lastly that capitalism does not create middle classes by choice, but only by force of regulation, including interventionist taxation.  Those three ideological pillars (markets, less government and low taxes) are things the old guard cannot give up, but the public, having experienced the economic and social failure has moved on.  That is why the GOP cannot go back to where it was.

Somebody, eventually, either on the right or the left has to start articulating an economic and governance model that is fit for the 21st century. Right now the right has completely ceded the field to the left even though the left (other than Warren) offers little other than warmed over 1930's. But alas yes, at this point even Europe is doing better with that model than we are with ours. 

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29 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

CNN is reporting it is down to Demings, Harris, Lance-Bottoms, and Warren as the top 4 for VP for Biden.

He will be right to wait until the last minute. What looks vital now may look a lot less vital in the remaining weeks. Reality has a way of doing that to political calculations.

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There’s no need to control the news cycle like in a conventional campaign. Plus let the Covid spikes do the talking on the GOP

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40 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

CNN is reporting it is down to Demings, Harris, Lance-Bottoms, and Warren as the top 4 for VP for Biden.

Warren may be too controversial considering Joe is just running out the clock to victory

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3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

Warren may be too controversial considering Joe is just running out the clock to victory

I liked that article about Warren for Treasury, especially when it mentioned executive comp.

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"Shouldn't they be spending this money in Michigan and Wisconsin???"

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5 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

"Shouldn't they be spending this money in Michigan and Wisconsin???"

Michigan and Wisconsin won't matter if they can't even win Georgia. I would wager Michigan is no longer a toss state and would focus elsewhere in Trump's rapidly shrinking map. 

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