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5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The parents had a chance to remove the child and failed to do so when they impeached him. 

It's bad enough that we have to talk about the guy with the nuclear codes as if he's an fourth grader who got a C- on his Science Fair project....

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Can I also point out that this is not a three year old, but the goddam President of the United States??

Honest to God. Ridiculous 

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38 minutes ago, Melody said:

The votes are not yet all certified and the EC has not met.  A technicality but nothing is delayed according to the law.  If he continues past that point in refusing to allow transition to proceed, at that point action can and should be taken.  Let him parade around in his birthday suit.  It won’t prolong his administration.

Wrong. Hillary conceded the morning after in a closer election. Obama invited him to the White House the next day. His staff prepared copious notes for the incoming administration, including how to handle a pandemic. 
 

It’s already been documented that the delay in the transition after the 2000 election caused security issues that may have contributed to 9/11.

We are currently in the middle of the biggest health crisis the world has seen. There is a possibility of a major rollout of vaccine coming by the end of the year and into the new year. Nero is as you say having a tantrum. Meanwhile all signs indicate a trans ion in power.

To give you a small analogy, waiting like this is like buying a home and having the sellers deny you a walk through until after closing. Trump is destroying the house and blaming it on the buyers.

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Since this is the second time today they've announced this, does this mean that Joe Biden gets 32 EC votes?

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37 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Wrong. Hillary conceded the morning after in a closer election. Obama invited him to the White House the next day. His staff prepared copious notes for the incoming administration, including how to handle a pandemic. 
 

It’s already been documented that the delay in the transition after the 2000 election caused security issues that may have contributed to 9/11.

We are currently in the middle of the biggest health crisis the world has seen. There is a possibility of a major rollout of vaccine coming by the end of the year and into the new year. Nero is as you say having a tantrum. Meanwhile all signs indicate a trans ion in power.

To give you a small analogy, waiting like this is like buying a home and having the sellers deny you a walk through until after closing. Trump is destroying the house and blaming it on the buyers.

With the exception of 2000 (which, whether one likes how that went down or not, is  at least understandable given how close Florida was), the Electoral College process has been treated as pro-forma in the modern age.

Are we really comfortable with setting precedents for the future that will result in every future  loser filing frivolous lawsuits in any state that is close, haranguing local politicians and threatening to overturn election results?

Because that will be the end result of this. Whether we like it or not.

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24 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Wrong. Hillary conceded the morning after in a closer election. Obama invited him to the White House the next day. His staff prepared copious notes for the incoming administration, including how to handle a pandemic. 
 

It’s already been documented that the delay in the transition after the 2000 election caused security issues that may have contributed to 9/11.

We are currently in the middle of the biggest health crisis the world has seen. There is a possibility of a major rollout of vaccine coming by the end of the year and into the new year. Nero is as you say having a tantrum. Meanwhile all signs indicate a trans ion in power.

To give you a small analogy, waiting like this is like buying a home and having the sellers deny you a walk through until after closing. Trump is destroying the house and blaming it on the buyers.

Did you miss my statement, “according to law?”   Final walk through is a requirement.  Allowing you to move stuff in before closing is not, though some sellers may permit it. Trump for whatever reason has chosen not to concede so Biden is not the official President Elect until the EC meets.

Trump is being typically classless, but waiting a couple of weeks will not change the outcome.  And neither will having a counter tantrum hasten him to concede.   It is almost over.   

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32 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

With the exception of 2000 (which, whether one likes how that went down or not, is  at least understandable given how close Florida was), the Electoral College process has been treated as pro-forma in the modern age.

Are we really comfortable with setting precedents for the future that will result in every future  loser filing frivolous lawsuits in any state that is close, haranguing local politicians and threatening to overturn election results?

Because that will be the end result of this. Whether we like it or not.

This. 

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16 minutes ago, Melody said:

Did you miss my statement, “according to law?”   Final walk through is a requirement.  Allowing you to move stuff in before closing is not, though some sellers may permit it. Trump for whatever reason has chosen not to concede so Biden is not the official President Elect until the EC meets.

Trump is being typically classless, but waiting a couple of weeks will not change the outcome.  And neither will having a counter tantrum hasten him to concede.   It is almost over.   

At the end of the day, the outcome isn't in question: Joe Biden will be sworn in on 20 Jan, most people here seem to recognize that.

But there is going to be a ton of collateral damage left on account of his behavior, and the relative silence of most GOPers (outside of Mitt and Ben Sasse and Larry Hogan) enables that behavior. (EDIT: Not to mention the ones who outright approve of his behavior)

In the past, there were Republicans who would go down the street and face the problem (see: Barry Goldwater).... we'll be waiting a long time for that here.

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But let the petulant child continue to pee all over the furniture. It will be over soon. 
 

Except his supporters and QANon loving Congress critters remain as neighbors. It’s become a trailer park nation.

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I don't buy that Mike Flynn was a default because they fired Chris Christie.  He was always part of the plan by Konservative Inc.

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35 minutes ago, Oblong said:

Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should 

This statement I agree with.   But did we expect any different?   He can. It is legal.  It will not change the outcome either way.  No sense elevating your blood pressure.  

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15 minutes ago, Melody said:

  It will not change the outcome either way.  No sense elevating your blood pressure.  

Has anybody said that it would?

The conversation here seems to be focused more on the downstream effects of these efforts and the milquetoast response of those within the President's party (with a couple exceptions), as well as the precedent being set.

Does that bother you at all?

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3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

At the end of the day, the outcome isn't in question: Joe Biden will be sworn in on 20 Jan, most people here seem to recognize that.

But there is going to be a ton of collateral damage left on account of his behavior, and the relative silence of most GOPers (outside of Mitt and Ben Sasse and Larry Hogan) enables that behavior. (EDIT: Not to mention the ones who outright approve of his behavior)

In the past, there were Republicans who would go down the street and face the problem (see: Barry Goldwater).... we'll be waiting a long time for that here.

All we can hope for is that the fallout of this is like the fallout of the GOP opposing SS in the 30's. And when I say 'like' what I mean is that people endorse or oppose parties from cycle to cycle based on different issues and their place in life's circumstances, but the people that became Democrats over the SS battle (using that as shorthand here for the whole FDR program to fight the depression) became Democrats for life. And it wasn't that FDR's popularity ever vanquished the other party (at least not until the artificial unity of WWII) but those people became the base of that Democratic Congressional dominance that ran for another 30 years. (It's true Ike ran as Republican in that stretch, but he was about as non-partisan a president as we've ever had)

I think in the same way, those of us who oppose the GOP for what they are doing now will NEVER go back. Will never accept another GOP candidate short of a total repudiation of this present party. We are now Dems for life, like it or not.

That is what I hope turns out to be the losing end of the bargain that McConnell and his ilk have made with the future.

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I've been saying from the moment he polluted our nation with his presidency (and candidacy) that he would refuse to leave if he lost and I hate to say I told you so.............................No, really,  I hate to say that.       There are few times in my life I wished I'd be totally wrong. 

 

But if he wants to go out like Ceausescu, then I'm fine with that.

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5 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I've been saying from the moment he polluted our nation with his presidency (and candidacy) that he would refuse to leave if he lost and I hate to say I told you so.............................No, really,  I hate to say that.       There are few times in my life I wished I'd be totally wrong. 

 

But if he wants to go out like Ceausescu, then I'm fine with that.

You did tell us that, but was anyone arguing against it?

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5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You did tell us that, but was anyone arguing against it?

Yeah, maybe not here, but people I know said "nah, that won't happen".  

What sad, disgusting, pathetic man...............his supporters are worse. 

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16 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I've been saying from the moment he polluted our nation with his presidency (and candidacy) that he would refuse to leave if he lost and I hate to say I told you so.............................No, really,  I hate to say that.       There are few times in my life I wished I'd be totally wrong. 

 

But if he wants to go out like Ceausescu, then I'm fine with that.

He is still president.  If he refuses to leave on January 20, then you'll be right.  It won't happen though because he is too cowardly to face that kind of personal confrontation.  

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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

He is still president.  If he refuses to leave on January 20, then you'll be right.  It won't happen though because he is too cowardly to face that kind of personal confrontation.  

I think he is going to be marched out of there by Secret Service..............he'll put on a little show for his cult.  

 

 

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