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1 minute ago, FloridaTigers said:

The Democrat brand is toxic down here. I do think AOC and others need to tone down this perceived scolding attitude. There's a better way to educate people about diversity or systemic racism than scolding and blaming poor white guys. Bernie in 2016 had it right: economic message in which his policies benefit everyone regardless of race or background. 2020 Bernie veered too much into the identity politics issue. Dems need to have better messaging. Reform police, not defund police for example. And stop assuming all Hispanic people will just vote as a monolithic bloc.

i agree.

i was just going to say that about bernie.  but bernie cant run on 2016 bernie platforms in 2020 democratic politics  because 2016 bernie was anti-immigration and told everyone the problem was economics and not white supremacy.

aoc dont want to hear that.  and the white suburban women who flock to buy robin diangelo books and "how to be an antiracist" dont want to hear it either.

 

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Just now, FloridaTigers said:

What if Dems used those ballot issues to help them get elected?

Ffs Joe Biden still opposes weed lol. Get a Dem on stage running for President to advocate for 15/hr, M4A and legal weed and suddenly you're forcing Republicans to take unpopular positions against these issues! These aren't "socialist" or extreme radical positions in 2020.

A Democrat proposing that got thumped in the primary. How do you expect them to make it to the general on that platform?

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1 minute ago, FloridaTigers said:

What if Dems used those ballot issues to help them get elected?

They do.... but ballot issues don't get attack ads run about them on how they want to take away their guns, abort babies, kill God, etc. Because they are ballot issues, and not real, actual human beings who happen to have a (D) next to their name.

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

A Democrat proposing that got thumped in the primary. How do you expect them to make it to the general on that platform?

Looking at the success of ballot issues is like looking at polling of a Generic Democrat..... the moment you put a face to it, the numbers go downhill.

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1 minute ago, mtutiger said:

Looking at the success of ballot issues is like looking at polling of a Generic Democrat..... the moment you put a face to it, the numbers go downhill.

It reminds me of when a late show goes out and asks everyone what they think of the Affordable Care Act. Their response is "oh yeah I love it." You then ask them what they think of Obamacare and they hate it. 

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26 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

I’m seeing this meme on FB.

Did Trump actually tweet this? And credit OANN as the source?

Is he ******* kidding??? And no GOP person is going to call him on this incredulous lie?

WTF.

Just W.T.F?

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I’m not on Twitter. Does anyone know whether Trump did, in fact, tweet this? 

TY

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2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

A Democrat proposing that got thumped in the primary. How do you expect them to make it to the general on that platform?

Did he lose because of those issues? Or did he lose because all other contenders dropped out within a few days and through their support behind Biden? 

4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i agree.

i was just going to say that about bernie.  but bernie cant run on 2016 bernie platforms in 2020 democratic politics  because 2016 bernie was anti-immigration and told everyone the problem was economics and not white supremacy.

aoc dont want to hear that.  and the white suburban women who flock to buy robin diangelo books and "how to be an antiracist" dont want to hear it either.

 

Yeah, I think I'd lay more blame at the blue check elite Twitterati for that last part. Its weird seeing people think attending seminars or reading books will somehow cure racism or solve long standing systemic economic disparity? 

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1 minute ago, FloridaTigers said:

Did he lose because of those issues? Or did he lose because all other contenders dropped out within a few days and through their support behind Biden? 

Yeah, I think I'd lay more blame at the blue check elite Twitterati for that last part. Its weird seeing people think attending seminars or reading books will somehow cure racism or solve long standing systemic economic disparity? 

I mean he lost to Hillary so you can't say it was just because all the others dropped out. Even so, he got a good beat down when it was just he and Biden. 

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Because AOC has an outsized profile that reaches outside of her district and into the zeitgeist of politics in this country, whereas Manchin doesn't?

I'm all for AOC repping the politics that she wants to rep for her district, but I spent the fall watching teevee during the morning news and seeing ads with her name plastered on them being used against federal and state house district candidates... and she was a liability. She just was.

I'm not convinced that just because an ad happens the subject of the ad is a liability.   I definitely don't purchase the upshot of that which is to cow away from ur beliefs because someone might run an ad. 

They ran ads against Pelosi in the middle of a blue wave.   Its what the GOP does.

I am also intrigued by the notion of disregard AOC because she has a huge reach, listen to Manchin because he has less of a reach.   I dont buy that either.

 

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43 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

I’m not on Twitter. Does anyone know whether Trump did, in fact, tweet this? 

TY

Absolutely

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

Looks like it’s always a woman’s fault.

But, of course. lol

Yep.  Everyone's got their electorate but this forum trashes only one of them for responding to their electorate.   Interesting....

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4 minutes ago, pfife said:

I'm not convinced that just because an ad happens the subject of the ad is a liability.   I definitely don't purchase the upshot of that which is to cow away from ur beliefs because someone might run an ad. 

They ran ads against Pelosi in the middle of a blue wave.   Its what the GOP does.

I am also intrigued by the notion of disregard AOC because she has a huge reach, listen to Manchin because he has less of a reach.   I dont buy that either.

 

Do you think AOC is a really popular figure in swing districts?

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48 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

I’m not on Twitter. Does anyone know whether Trump did, in fact, tweet this? 

TY

Yes but Twitter put a disclaimer on it. Just more of his lies.

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Was Jeremy Corbyn considered too far left for the UK or did the antisemitism allegations sink him?

Divided the party massively and the people behind him persist with the idea that it's better to be right than it is to be elected. And didn't come across as a leader.

I don't disagree with many of the policies he had, but he was never going to win an election. Blair - who Corbyn's supporters dismiss as a war criminal - could win elections. They may be right that he's a war criminal, but if you're going to create a labour party which is unelectable then you're letting the Tories in to power.

There's no point being morally right in opposition. You need to get elected and Corbyn's labour party forced too many people away from it by trying to be right all the time.

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

Looks like it’s always a woman’s fault.

But, of course. lol

The only fault concerning women is that they haven't run things for the last 20+ years. We wouldn't be in this mess if we had leaders that had compassion. Just my opinion. But I'm right.  😆😆

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

I’m not on Twitter. Does anyone know whether Trump did, in fact, tweet this? 

TY

I believe he did.

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22 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Do you think AOC is a really popular figure in swing districts?

No.   Similarly, is Manchin popular in the Bronx?

Is west Virginia  swing?

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West Virginia isn't a swing district so being able to tie Manchin to AOC would only make it worse for him. The Green New Deal is not a winner in coal country.

Manchin isn't popular in the Bronx. He's also not throwing shade directly at AOC. Then again, maybe throwing shade at each other would help each other. This may be one area where Democrats can learn from Republicans. Susan Collins was given permission to vote against Amy Coney Barrett because Republicans knew she had to do it to win re-election. They didn't throw shade at her. 

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

I’m not on Twitter. Does anyone know whether Trump did, in fact, tweet this? 

TY

He did.  And others are saying that the usual suspects are involved: Soros, Obama and Clinton.  I just laugh at this stuff now.  It's pathetic.  

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