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6 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Few quick thoughts.

1)  Hopefully this is where the 'deep state' took measures to ensure he doesn't know enough to really cause damage

I agree that the less he knows, the better off we probably all are. But if it were true that discretionary decisions were made to withhold state secrets from the president, it would actually be a bad precedent to set.

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33 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Quick question for the legal minds. Obviously we are not reading about all the suits, but is there the possibility of sanctions against the lawyers bringing the most frivolous suits?

not yet. Trump is 0-12 because no one has stepped over the sanctions line. They have literally ZERO examples of voter fraud. ZERO. So long as lawyers stay grounded in reality, Trump will lose and sanctions will probably be avoided.

Danger is two fold. You find a QAnon judge who wants to be a GOP legend. S/he can try to frustrate the count as the deadline for certification approaches. Already, SOS are dealing with wild goose chases about the dead voting.

Or, lawyers or witnesses start to fabricate evidence. Postal worker has recanted, but there are plenty of heroes out there will have no trouble lying about what they know to be true, eve if they have to lie about it.

As the count slowly grows for Biden, GOP members current and past reluctantly congratulate Biden, and word leaders chime in, this should all just fade away without even a whimper.

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Doesn't it become a cyclical problem though where younger voters and voters of color become apathetic because they feel like the issues most important to them go unaddressed or are underrepresented because they might offend suburban white people and then Democrats lose votes when those voters don't show up?

If you're an African-American voter or just any young progressive voter between 18-40 and you're sitting there watching another George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, etc. unfold on TV and then some candidate comes along and refuses to address the underlying problems of police brutality, doesn't that in all likelihood decrease voter participation from those demographics? If you know things like ending qualified immunity statues for police, increasing mental health screenings for officers, increasing non-lethal force training, taking away firearms, hiring social workers, etc. are the real solutions to the problems and the candidate you're being asked to support stands for little, if any, of those policy points, apathy tends to set in at some point. 

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Some of these complaints remind me of some of those long road trips to visit relatives when I was a kid

DON’T MAKE ME HAVE TO STOP THIS CAR!

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2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Well Seattle got what they want. Police are retiring, transferring to other districts, or calling in sick while they look for work elsewhere. Now Seattle has a shortage. I hope all the businesses affected by this no-go zone leave the city of Seattle. 

Seattle had a well-known cop shortage before the Zone situation. Seattle has been among the top five fastest-growing cities in the country for many years. It's not all about Antifa.

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42 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Doesn't it become a cyclical problem though where younger voters and voters of color become apathetic because they feel like the issues most important to them go unaddressed or are underrepresented because they might offend suburban white people and then Democrats lose votes when those voters don't show up?

If you're an African-American voter or just any young progressive voter between 18-40 and you're sitting there watching another George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, etc. unfold on TV and then some candidate comes along and refuses to address the underlying problems of police brutality, doesn't that in all likelihood decrease voter participation from those demographics? If you know things like ending qualified immunity statues for police, increasing mental health screenings for officers, increasing non-lethal force training, taking away firearms, hiring social workers, etc. are the real solutions to the problems and the candidate you're being asked to support stands for little, if any, of those policy points, apathy tends to set in at some point. 

a couple things.

1) most of those problems can be handled locally, through state and municipal changes.  the people who you are claiming will be too upset to continue with the process if they dont get their way live in areas where their local politicians profess to believe the same things.  so they will see local changes.

2) its interesting that you think that is a list of things that are the "real solutions" to the "problems."  i dont think thats true at all, and just because a large portion of the activist base of the democratic party will be upset if they dont happen doesnt concern me or most americans.

3) part of living in a democracy is compromising.  young folks will need to learn to compromise.  

4) i hope you are right that young voters drop out of the process because anyone that young doesnt know ****!  long live generation x!!!!

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36 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Seattle had a well-known cop shortage before the Zone situation. Seattle has been among the top five fastest-growing cities in the country for many years. It's not all about Antifa.

The problem isn't the population growth outpacing the expansion of the police force, it's the fact police officer are leaving the Seattle police force and calling in sick because they don't want to work there anymore. 

A record number of officers have left the Seattle police force. If Seattle's population is growing so much it has a shortage, why would Seattle cut the budget and defund the police?

https://komonews.com/news/local/why-are-so-many-seattle-police-department-officers-leaving-the-city

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For the first time ever, some mental health 911 calls in New York City will be handled by health professionals and mental health crisis workers – not police officers. On Wednesday, the city's Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that new mental health teams will be the default responders to mental health emergencies in two "high-need communities."

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im curious to see how this will shake out. I like the idea, and if I had a family member that was a cop, I’d really like the idea.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

The problem isn't the population growth outpacing the expansion of the police force, it's the fact police officer are leaving the Seattle police force and calling in sick because they don't want to work there anymore. 

A record number of officers have left the Seattle police force. If Seattle's population is growing so much it has a shortage, why would Seattle cut the budget and defund the police?

https://komonews.com/news/local/why-are-so-many-seattle-police-department-officers-leaving-the-city

The Seattle police department have had officer shortages since before the Zone situation, due mainly to population growth.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-face-staffing-shortage-amid-effort-to-boost-emphasis-patrols

 

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1 minute ago, chasfh said:

The Seattle police department have had officer shortages since before the Zone situation, due mainly to population growth.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-face-staffing-shortage-amid-effort-to-boost-emphasis-patrols

 

Like I said, police officers are leaving the Seattle police department in record numbers. More police officers left the Seattle force in September of this year than in any month in history. If Seattle already had shortage issues, and officers are fleeing the police force as fast as they can, why is Seattle cutting funding to the police department? 

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2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Like I said, police officers are leaving the Seattle police department in record numbers. More police officers left the Seattle force in September of this year than in any month in history. If Seattle already had shortage issues, and officers are fleeing the police force as fast as they can, why is Seattle cutting funding to the police department? 

Like I said, Seattle had police shortages well before the Zone thing. All I was trying to get across is that contrary to your implications, the shortage is not all due to that.

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

For the first time ever, some mental health 911 calls in New York City will be handled by health professionals and mental health crisis workers – not police officers. On Wednesday, the city's Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that new mental health teams will be the default responders to mental health emergencies in two "high-need communities."

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im curious to see how this will shake out. I like the idea, and if I had a family member that was a cop, I’d really like the idea.

I expect to see something similar in Minneapolis during 2021. The council woman who headed the charge for "defund the police" resigned yesterday, citing personal reasons. 

Anxious to see how this works out in NY

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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Like I said, Seattle had police shortages well before the Zone thing. All I was trying to get across is that contrary to your implications, the shortage is not all due to that.

Contrary to your implications, my point is Seattle police officers are leaving the force because some council members are getting woke. It doesn't matter if Seattle had shortages prior or not. I said response times have gotten worse. So if they were bad prior due to shortages, they are even worse now and Seattle is wanting to cut funding. 

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