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My wife is bawling. 

 Seeing that speech emphasizes how much of a vacuum we have had in this country for 4 years. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Oblong said:

My wife is bawling. 

 Seeing that speech emphasizes how much of a vacuum we have had in this country for 4 years. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Oblong said:

My wife is bawling. 

 Seeing that speech emphasizes how much of a vacuum we have had in this country for 4 years. 

 

My wife cried too.   Those speeches.  The fireworks.  What a moment.  America has risen again.  I knew it would hit me once it was called, but damn. What a moment.

And as a government employee, I am thankful that I won’t have to see those weekly emails from Azar and the nonsense he spouts. 

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6 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I'm disappointed. I wanted to know what celebrities Biden doesn't like. 

I laughed.  

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Serious question:

If Trump resigned now, that would elevate Pence to the Presidency, right?

Couldn’t Pence then give a pre-emotive pardon to Trump for any and all federal supposed offenses?

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2 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Serious question:

If Trump resigned now, that would elevate Pence to the Presidency, right?

Couldn’t Pence then give a pre-emotive pardon to Trump for any and all federal supposed offenses?

Yes and yes

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28 minutes ago, Oblong said:

My wife is bawling. 

 Seeing that speech emphasizes how much of a vacuum we have had in this country for 4 years. 

 

Joe at his very best, no doubt.... he hit all the right notes

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6 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Serious question:

If Trump resigned now, that would elevate Pence to the Presidency, right?

Couldn’t Pence then give a pre-emotive pardon to Trump for any and all federal supposed offenses?

Yes. But some of the stuff are state charges and not covered by pardons.   He can’t pay his debts though. 

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3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Yes and yes

I think that’s the out he’s going to choose.

And Pence will do it. And the GOP will spin it as a way to “heal”, and not “persecute” a great man who’s done nothing but serve his country, blah, blah, blah.

 

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However the pardon would have to cover something. It can’t just be for “whatever”.  An acceptance is also an admission of guilt. 

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Yes, I know the state charges are still there. And the loans are going to come due... and without the power of the Presidency and the DOJ at his beck and call, will there be $$$ donated to satisfy these debts?

 

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4 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

I think that’s the out he’s going to choose.

And Pence will do it. And the GOP will spin it as a way to “heal”, and not “persecute” a great man who’s done nothing but serve his country, blah, blah, blah.

 

Needs to be a sit down between Mother and Jared to determine the terms. Pence’s pardon power for federal crimes would be absolute.

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Just now, Oblong said:

However the pardon would have to cover something. It can’t just be for “whatever”.  An acceptance is also an admission of guilt. 

Do you see him doing that? Admit guilt? To anything?

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Actually, Hasn’t he always said he will pardon himself? He’s going to try that. While he still got the DOJ in his pocket. And will the GOP just silently stand to the side and let him?

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1 minute ago, smr-nj said:

Do you see him doing that? Admit guilt? To anything?

I see him accepting a pardon without the understanding of the admission of guilt.

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Ok... we all need to predict the date he resigns.

It will be before Christmas, because Melania doesn’t want to have to do all that damn decorating.

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5 minutes ago, Oblong said:

However the pardon would have to cover something. It can’t just be for “whatever”.  An acceptance is also an admission of guilt. 

Yes to the second point.

I think Pence could give blanket pardon; that’s what Ford did

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4 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Actually, Hasn’t he always said he will pardon himself? He’s going to try that. While he still got the DOJ in his pocket. And will the GOP just silently stand to the side and let him?

Barr might get some staffer to write a memo that Trump can pardon himself; I don’t think he can 

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1 minute ago, RatkoVarda said:

Barr might get some staffer to write a memo that Trump can pardon himself; I don’t think he can 

Where’s Bill been hiding?

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15 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Where’s Bill been hiding?

Last I heard he was self quarantining. That’s been a while ago.

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27 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Ok... we all need to predict the date he resigns.

It will be before Christmas, because Melania doesn’t want to have to do all that damn decorating.

Melania and Barron might have already moved back to NYC. 

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