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Gardenhire talked with team after game.

 

"It's about not running balls out and all the little things that to me are unacceptable around here,"  he said. "Today we had a couple of those happen. That's the stuff that I apologize for. That's not the way we play the game."

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5 minutes ago, kdog said:

Gardenhire talked with team after game.

 

"It's about not running balls out and all the little things that to me are unacceptable around here,"  he said. "Today we had a couple of those happen. That's the stuff that I apologize for. That's not the way we play the game."

You know who would have never put up with that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Isn’t Leyland still with the Tigers in some capacity? 

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16 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Isn’t Leyland still with the Tigers in some capacity? 

special consultant kind of deal where he gives them reports on minor leaguers.

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21 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Isn’t Leyland still with the Tigers in some capacity? 

I so wish that @FakeLeyland on Twitter would return. 

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29 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Isn’t Leyland still with the Tigers in some capacity? 

He heads the Department of Talking with Your Mouth Full.

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42 minutes ago, kdog said:

Gardenhire talked with team after game.

 

"It's about not running balls out and all the little things that to me are unacceptable around here,"  he said. "Today we had a couple of those happen. That's the stuff that I apologize for. That's not the way we play the game."

They didn't give up a steal of home today, so maybe he's finally getting through to them.

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50 minutes ago, kdog said:

“That's not the way we play the game."

BS

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1 hour ago, kdog said:

Gardenhire talked with team after game.

 

"It's about not running balls out and all the little things that to me are unacceptable around here,"  he said. "Today we had a couple of those happen. That's the stuff that I apologize for. That's not the way we play the game."

You mean little league stuff, Ron?

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1 hour ago, 1776 said:

BS

Yep.  Doing unacceptable stuff is exactly how Illadvisedhire's Tigers play the game.

As I've said here before, bad baseball due to lack of talent and stupid baseball are not the same thing.  But unfortunately, the Tigers are serving up huge helpings of both.

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55 minutes ago, Walewander said:

You mean little league stuff, Ron?

I don't care if they don't run out pop ups. That's not the problem. The problem is too many pop ups and easy ground ball outs. And that's not really the problem. The problem is that for two plus years and running guys who excessively pop up and ground out meekly were all part of the plan. Even when the Tigers stunk during the late 90s and early aughts they were at least trying to remain competitive. An intentional and ruthless attempt to stink (ok tanking) may have ultimately worked for the Astros. But they had little competition at the bottom then. As others have noted, the field is a lot more crowded now with teams committing hara kari  in hopes of rising again bigger and better than ever. If the Tigers had a wit of sense they would consider maybe zigging now that everyone else seems to be zagging. Lose as many games as possible this year, but then become more aggressive in the free agent or trade market next year. Start to restore some credibility to the big league club, while everyone else is racing to the bottom. 

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9 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

I don't care if they don't run out pop ups. That's not the problem. The problem is too many pop ups and easy ground ball outs. And that's not really the problem. The problem is that for two plus years and running guys who excessively pop up and ground out meekly were all part of the plan. Even when the Tigers stunk during the late 90s and early aughts they were at least trying to remain competitive. An intentional and ruthless attempt to stink (ok tanking) may have ultimately worked for the Astros. But they had little competition at the bottom then. As others have noted, the field is a lot more crowded now with teams committing hara kari  in hopes of rising again bigger and better than ever. If the Tigers had a wit of sense they would consider maybe zigging now that everyone else seems to be zagging. Lose as many games as possible this year, but then become more aggressive in the free agent or trade market next year. Start to restore some credibility to the big league club, while everyone else is racing to the bottom. 

Indeed, just as there are no longer market inefficiencies to exploit, tanking is just being bad when more than a couple teams are doing it. 

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3 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

 

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Does anyone else feel a sense of shame and guilt looking at this picture?  Like, he knows we half assed the lines on the lawn mowing today and they just aren't straight enough because we felt we could rush through it because we also did the trimming today?  Or we tipped down instead of up at the restaurant because down was an even $X0.00 and up was $X1.00 and we liked the even number but the extra buck was deserved?  Or he knows we were just day dreaming at church rather than actually listening to the homily?

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Looks like he is looking right through some offender.

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4 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

You know who would have never put up with that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This guy definitely had something had Gardenhire does not............Talent to put on the field.

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2 hours ago, SeattleMike said:

I don't care if they don't run out pop ups. That's not the problem. The problem is too many pop ups and easy ground ball outs. And that's not really the problem. The problem is that for two plus years and running guys who excessively pop up and ground out meekly were all part of the plan. Even when the Tigers stunk during the late 90s and early aughts they were at least trying to remain competitive. An intentional and ruthless attempt to stink (ok tanking) may have ultimately worked for the Astros. But they had little competition at the bottom then. As others have noted, the field is a lot more crowded now with teams committing hara kari  in hopes of rising again bigger and better than ever. If the Tigers had a wit of sense they would consider maybe zigging now that everyone else seems to be zagging. Lose as many games as possible this year, but then become more aggressive in the free agent or trade market next year. Start to restore some credibility to the big league club, while everyone else is racing to the bottom. 

There is a reason why teams do the tank thing. It works.

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15 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

There is a reason why teams do the tank thing. It works.

it works if you have the right architect who can make the necessary trades and identify talent. Losing with crappy talent is the easy part.

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After the Encarnacion trade the Yankees had to demote Clint Frazier.  He is a 24 year old on pace for 25HRs and an 850 OPS, he'd be our best position player, but the Yankees have so much talent they have to demote him to the minors.    A guy the quality of Frazier is forced to play in the minors yet all the minor league quality players we have on our roster get to play in the big leagues and collect MLB pay.   Like life, baseball can be unfair. 

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14 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

There is a reason why teams do the tank thing. It works.

In the end, Houston was successful with the approach.  But it wasn't a fail safe approach.  They made mistakes along the way (JD Martinez, Mark Appel, Brady Aiken as examples of misplays).

And as was mentioned, the Astros went through the process when it was largely a novel thought, so they did have an advantage there of cornering the market, so to speak.

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8 minutes ago, kdog said:

it works if you have the right architect who can make the necessary trades and identify talent. Losing with crappy talent is the easy part.

Spot on. The Tigers have the ‘losing with crappy talent’ down to a science. I don’t have a lot of confidence in their ability to execute the other half of the equation.

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

In the end, Houston was successful with the approach.  But it wasn't a fail safe approach.  They made mistakes along the way (JD Martinez, Mark Appel, Brady Aiken as examples of misplays).

And as was mentioned, the Astros went through the process when it was largely a novel thought, so they did have an advantage there of cornering the market, so to speak.

Cubs, Royals, Phillies, neary every championship team from 1900-2019.

Let's not pretend it was just the astros that figured it out. 

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1 hour ago, kdog said:

it works if you have the right architect who can make the necessary trades and identify talent. Losing with crappy talent is the easy part.

Of course. You have to pick the right guys, hire the right staff, make a good trade or two, etc. 

But, let's stop with this silly notion we should sign a bunch of 35-year old FA as some buck the trend system or avoid losing games. Its a natural part of sports. You're bad. You get get young players and get good again. You just have more teams blatantly doing it now for a host of reasons. 1. everybody in the front office comes from basically one school 2. It works. 

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1 hour ago, kdog said:

it works if you have the right architect who can make the necessary trades and identify talent. Losing with crappy talent is the easy part.

It also works better when there are a couple teams tanking rather half the league.  

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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It also works better when there are a couple teams tanking rather half the league.  

Is it really that much different from the past though? I looked at 1991 and 5 teams lost 90 or more games (with four fewer teams than today). Last year there was 8. In 1974 there was 6, 90 loss teams (24 team league). 

Now I will say I just picked two years completely at random. Maybe they were the outliers. I dunno. But, it doesn't seem like there are that many more doing it. I just think they are more open about it. 

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